The Shaggy has spoken!

Fuck wrex, it's the reason why UE doesnt play anymore. It's good to find cheaters, but installing spyware on your PC just to make sure you dont play against cheaters goes to far. If CB anti cheat team actually had good UT players in their mix, wrex wouldnt be needed. But the noobs of today cant even see the difference between good/lucky/timed/map knowledge/experience based shots and actual cheat shots.

Anyway, screw wrex, screw the people that came up with it, screw the people that defend it.

well when WREX will be removed in iTDM next season i am sure more clans gonna play iTDM again, me included!

maybe ppl like you? old shool cheater?.
no thx

A small +1, but just remove Wrex overall tbh. It might make more players come back (alot of old UT players are playing LoL for instance). In TAM, I can't play with my normal teams cause ppl like pod and GD are not playing with Wrex. We need to ADD more clans, instead of losing 5-10 again next season!

I think it's clear that Wrex is always going to be knocked and by the look of most of these comments it's obvious that the majority of clanleaders do NOT want wrex even if <{Ui}> has 1001 teams voting yes o\

Wrex should be kept in TAM and iTDM where people seem to have at least accepted it enough to get a decent cup running. Maybe that is because TAM is far more active than iCTF who knows but if we use Wrex in the next ictf cup 50% of the clans will drop if not more. That leaves very little left of this slowly diminishing community and by only having one division leaves some of the weaker skilled clans losing 4-0 every game further enticing more teams to quit.

Without wrex we will at least have a couple more seasons, which I and the majority of the community seem to believe is better than erasing all cheaters and losing the OC's altogether.

azr <3

Thats cause they lost the war so they feel like they have to win something!

Seems I should rename myself to "tryTROLLalot" since only you reply lol anyway i just want to have the 200, just for the lulz.

Nope, most cheaters are from Germany...

And why shouldn't he be bothered?
I thought this was a topic to ask our opinions?

If you just want WREX in then say it Vader, it's not like I care. But don't tell Dav to ignore other peoples opinion, well unless you want this game to be killed @ ClanBase.

:')

most cheaters are from the netherlands anyway - why even bother to argue with them dav?

An anticheat is a tool able to detect cheats / catch cheaters, what wrex does.
A kick or a ban may be a functionality, but you dont need it at all as you have many ways to implement it at your side the way you want.
The game offers IP and GUID banlist you can manage yourself once a cheater gets caught, you can also use system like UTAN to manage more or less global ban list over all your servers.


So you admit there are active and non active anticheats.


Verified doesnt mean clean.


In a certain way i'm French (it's my domain, i'm from France, french people also created/coded Wrex), so Wrex belongs to French people ?
In a certain way i'm European (it's my domain, i'm from Europe, Europeans created/coded Wrex), so Wrex belongs to Europe ?
In a certain way i'm human (it's my domain, i'm from Earth, humans created/coded Wrex), so Wrex belongs to humans ?

It's easy to extrapolate, but because some people from NL are less smart than others, doesnt mean NL is less smart than other countries

While this is true, the main purpose of an anticheat tool is to make the game free of cheaters. But since Wrex doesn't kick you from the server even if you have cheats, it's not created to clean the game. Simple as that. If Wrex catches you, you can still cheat all you want. Whereas AntiTCC actually makes serveradmins aware they have cheaters playing on their servers and KICKS the cheaters automatically.

Wrex is not an active AntiCheat. It's a silenced spyware tool that doesn't let you look into your own information. Wrex also implies that clients are "verified" even when they have cheats.

And don't attack me on implying that ST2 gets the data. Cause in a certain way it is true (it's your domain, you are from ST2, ST2 also created/coded Wrex). It only shows that you are looking for faults in my post to run away from the facts I state.

(Ps. check your inbox, I sent a result + screens)

art 8 echr

Because it doesnt kick the cheater doesnt mean it's not an anticheat.
Antitcc has the same option, "log only" and can be used in silent mode.
Anticheat != kick cheat.


http://wrex.mangemesboules.fr/
Is this any ST2 site related ?
Please show me where you've seen this site being related to ST2 ?
All the report are published in realtime (can take 1 min maybe) and made public instantly on the logchecker website.
And yes it wont warn you ingame as it's easier to catch a cheater when you dont warn him.

Seeing that we have at the moment 19 active clans left in this cup. If only half the clans wont join another cup where wrex is in, then there wont be any other iCTF cup upcomming anymore since the amount of clans will be too few.

So please make a wise decision and let us enjoy our game for hopefully some seasons still.

Correct Sir.

The people who cheat and can byepass anti tcc.. which is not hard. can easely cheat with wrex. its not that hard..... stop that wrex think and make a in eyed demo policy for the playoffs.. our just ssd (i know its still nothing but still..). wrex is just more work for nothing. the people who want to cheat and are a bit clever geth passed it anyway...

meh.. man seriously... stop discussing

only cunts keep on replying here.

Clan leader can represent their team mates if they drive a proper discussion internally..

Please stop telling half truth. It's just a matter of arranging a proper poll both at clanbase and in each team. Every thing is possible.

Wrex is not an AntiCheat.
When you have a cheat, Wrex still allows you to join servers. It even says "<Player> has been validated by master server." Wrex doesn't care if it finds cheats on your PC.

Wrex is spyware.
It silently sends the report/files/logs it finds to ST2. It doesn't notify you of anything suspicious, nor let you see what it really does/did. You will find out it found something suspicious when it's made public.

hi

I'm for WREX. Just hope you guys get the lag sorted out by the next cup

How does the communication of WREX go?

If detected, info goes directly via the user to you?
If detected, info goes via the gameserver to you?

The entire community decides if they want WREX or not, not only the Clan Leaders.

And why are you all discussing so much? Ur wasting ur time do something useful. You guys are acting as if WREX is going to be used. Well forget it.

Get WREX in this game and u will have only one division next cup of 6 clans.

Since vega joined the CB Ut2004 Crew, ClanBase.UT2004 got worse.
And when DavVador brought WREX in this game it made even more clans leave the game. *looking to {UE},...*

DavVador is not a bad guy at all, but I just don't want WREX in here. So everyone who wants to play with WREX, just continue playing like you were before.
We will find / make a better one if possible.

Original Thread : This news item is for all Clan-Leaders, can all Clan-Leaders write in the comments section below whether they Agree with Wrex being used or Disagree with Wrex being used.



Can some admin make a poll instead of opening comments for troll?

Just my 2cents (of pure troll indeed)

TP or Chrishy on IRC I believe. We were like: "meh Wrex" and u/they agreed that it's crap. Same with St. and nM. No official statements in this topic but to me it was clear that even though people are using Wrex in TAM, the majority of the ppl I talked to aren't happy about it.

With whom of us did you talk about it? All I know is, that we "qeX" have no problem with WREX. We just wanna have fun and less chances, that there are cheaters playing against us. We also configured 2 Servers with WREX to support it.

And personally, I hope DavVador and his guys keep going on to give the community an updated anti-cheat-tool.

Oh and I forgot VOTE ME IN THE LID V INF CUP GAME PLZ!!!!!!

My point of view is that I don't care if it's used or not. I haven't had any problems with it in the itdm or tam cup. The important thing is that we keep this game alive and active.

Dunno about you guys but I enjoy playing vs and with the guys in this community whether they cheat or not. I dont dislike Cheaters they're the losers in the end, ppl who actually care that they're pro because they don't want to be looked upon as if they're just another player.

This game was made for people to have fun wasn't it? A cheater doesn't stop me from having fun sometimes I even like it, I see getting past them or fragging them as a challenge. Win or lose in a cup who cares? I play to have fun with my UT buddies.

wow you guys make long comments, to bad nobody will read it.

Disagree.
On my Win 7 my machine with Ut2004 is working fine, no lags / fps drops. With that precious wrex, it takes every CPU time in every minute or so, makes a 0 fps for 2 secs. I am playing with a comic book!

I know, I should by a new computer if I want to play with an 8 years old game. Seriously... Get some decent Cpp coders, and they'll code a very efficient anticheat stuff and that may be scan your whole life in 5 minutes instead of W's 20. And that will run on Linux as well.

So, what do the SUPs say so far?

It wouldnt be enough.
Antitcc is unable to detect any .exe/.dll cheat on windows vista/7 if not in the game directory and you could update it as much as you want, it will never be granted access to the process list (due to limitation of uscript) so you can't do anything.
About recording the screen it would be too heavy for many computers and it would only show radars or very obvious cheaters (dont expect to catch aimbots setup properly or triggerbots with such a system)... and it would take 200 min for admins to check a 5v5 ictf war.

@Davvador- The problem is not the tool itself its the factor of"trust"

Some people may have something to hide and some may not, some are genuinely against it, and some use the breach of privacy as a defense to hide behind so they don't get caught.

Either way you look at it if wrex is forced or voted in people will leave the game because of the way this anti-cheat works.


From my side I applaud you for your contribution to the game, but in the end when we have to go through a system check not everyone will feel easy knowing that they literally just allowed someone to go through everything on their pc, if somehow someone could improve anti-tcc or maybe do a recording of what running on their screens eg:camstudiorecorder, would that be sufficent?

My point is that it all boils down to the fact the way the program works and if there was an alternative that was less invasive people would all be for it.

Shut up then

ye ofc we wont play with WREX on but we will play with WREX off

http://clanbase.ggl.com/claninfo.php?wars=1&cid=1209319&recent=1
Recent matches
Official 7 Nov '10

Will Wrex being ON or OFF make a difference for înhuman ?

înhuman disagree with Wrex being used

Z.Ibrahimovic, there are many many facts you dont know deeply enough imo.
You try to state facts while not knowing them exactly.
Donzi got caught while trying NHK, yes, he told me he may had cheats, yes, but he lied on many points.
Little gift if you wanna read more about it.
So you still prefer the version given on epic/utzone's forum ?


Again you dont know how it works and you like thinking we build logs from scratch on our own.
The detection database was updated to show a bit more to the public as i told you, some logs were already checked and thus based on the old db, some were checked later and used the new db. We can force a refresh with the newest db for all the logs if you prefer, but this is pointless.


Where did i say that database was common with NHK ? You are again assuming things based on your own imagination.
If some random people from the community say it's illegal, is it really illegal, does it becomes "facts" ?
CB accepted it and NHK is still valid on CB and that's the only thing i care as you are not forced to use it.


It logs anything related to cheats being based on what you browsed on internet or what your friend give you with his usb key.


I didnt alter anything, but feel free to think i did if it makes you sleep better.
It's clearly not from 2.5 years, and at this date, i didnt even know him.
My first NHK log was from August 2010.
And the cookie from the cheat website is dated from 12-11-2011, C&A chiefs can confirm it if you dont trust me.
So again you dont know what happened and come with facts you just imagined or built yourself.


Refl was created 21 May 2010 so the oldest things related to this profile are 2 years ago and not 2.5 years ago.
In 2010 all we knew was that Refl was Lampje because Ruination had a talk with him and because NHK found Lampje name as Refl window's user name.
Then a few other evidences were found.


Wrex hasnt access to anything, again, you imagine facts.
Because it's a .exe, doesnt mean it has format functionalities, viruses functionalities, games functionalities, mail client functionalities or full access to your PC functionalities.
Wrex has no reading functionalities at all except for game config files.
And yes the file you are talking about is a cookie, what's wrong with it ?


I didnt forget, my post was removed and i'm not allowed to talk about it.


Again, you mix things (deliberately or not).
I dont say he is cheating nowadays. I say he is a returned cheater who never served his ban.
And he's far from being what i call clean, based on the cookie found and his C&A past.


Get your facts right please.
http://clanbase.ggl.com/humaninfo.php?hid=3025737&suspend=1
1st ban :
Created 18 Apr 2008 18:16
Banperiod 6 months
=> leads to a ban ending 18 Oct 2008

2nd ban :
Description Fake nicked in Cup match
Game UT2004
Created 18 Jun 2008 19:37
So he got caught fakenicking before his 1st ban ended, meaning he didnt serve his first ban.
It was 120 months as he violated the C&A rules again within his ban period.

And we all know now he didnt even served the 2nd ban.


The law you are refering is from 1978 but has been updated several times to adapt to the current situation.
And you are mixing Ruination with Wormbo i think.
This is becoming boring, you only have a very blurred overview of the situation and based your agumentation on what you call "facts", which are clearly not the real facts.
As i said, if you want to "attack" wrex on the legal part, feel free to do it in the proper way.


At least one thing we can agree.


I dare you to quote me the part of the law saying that.
This obviously shows you dont know anything about the law.
A game directory is a directory like another in terms of law.
There are no law at all making difference between a folder called "ut2004" and another.
And based on you comment AntiTCC is illegal as it scans for some cheats in "C:\" folder.


The partial log i copy pasted was done with official antitcc release, not a "hacked/modified" one.
I gave a few indications on some CB posts already how to achieve a full computer scan with antitcc and if you are smart enough, i'm sure you can even find it yourself.
And neither NHK or Wrex used any antitcc code. No part at all of antittc were used in any anticheats i or Elcrolonosios developped.
I think i missed the part where i said that, please quote it for me as you pretend i said that at UN.


I'm tired to comment each point untill the end, feel free to think what you want based on your "facts.

- We are speaking about a new log. Not as you state an old log that went public.
- You do not reply why nothing was found in a 59 second earlier log of this player.
- You hereby state that you have a database which also contains data of the NHK anti-cheat-tool which was found illegal by the community and clearly is by law (and wrex also). You are aware that you are liable on keeping that data and also for publishing it?
- You state that wrex gives information in what we browse on the internet.
- You forget to name that you altered a new log with the data of a 2,5 year old log, which makes clear that the player browsed on a website with the name of a known hack, and thus not had any kind of cheat on his machine nor in use.
- You forget to name that 2,5 year ago this information was already beiing weigted by other CB officials and that it wasn't ban-worty at that time.
- You state there is more info on the old/new ban, but that your tool isn't 100% able to verify while having full access to anything? Which, where, what to verify? It is a cookie?!?! WTF! LMAO!
- You forget to make known that your decision to ban the player has been overruled upon giving all this information.
- You continously claim on the cb-forum that this player is cheating, but you hereby agreed that only a cookie was found. You already made known a year ago and still make known that you want this clean player to be banned.


He didn't serve his ban on that other game? The player received an other ban for fakenicking. Fake-nicking was worth a 10 year ban at that time, thus untill 2018. New rules only give 1 year for fake-nicking. So the ban would have been cleared in 2009 up on the new rules.


You already explained on the Unreal-North that you did a lot on the ‘legal’ part, but in reality absolutely NOTHING changed. Ruination already made that perfectly clear by stating that is isn’t by UK law. You are hiding yourself nowadays behind a French law dated 1978. It is quete naïeve to hide behind such an outdated law which does not cover the dangers in the internet-age. BTW, I’m pretty sure that French does cover privacy via an yours overruling act and that an other French act in a crime ~ economic section wil also make clear that the way wrex operates is not allowed. Not to forget that I already quoted who is allowed, under conditions, to use spyware software.


Agreed!


Scans are only legal if in the game-directory and the memory.



Is this another half truth you want us to believe as being the truth?

You perfectly pointed out on the Unreal-North that AntiTCC does scan outside the gamefolder. You proved that it scans to one specific location to one specific name (helios) cq known cheat. It is in the basis illegal, but likely to be not punished by a judge while it is very specific and serving the goal of cheaters being detected. Not to forget that their is a big difference in the legal part about where the this anti-cheat-tool sends its data to.

You also made prefectly clear on the Unreal-North that parts of anti-tcc were used in one of your anti-cheat-tools. Considering that you supplied us an AntiTCC log from the ST2 server, cq. the authors and supporters of the illegal wrex and NHK and the fact that no one else ever noticed such a report done by AntiTCC and that you specificly invite me on your server: this must have been an altered version of AntiTCC.

So, yet another example of how trust-worthy you need to be foud.


- You quoted the Unreal-North already prefectly yourself somewhere below: he saw a part of the code.
- You did not reply why Ruination still found it reason enough to make such a topic. And if he did saw the complete why did he not share his hugh concerns with you while he seemed to be accepted by you?
- I don’t care about the source-code when privacy is secured and in the situation where log-files and proof only go to the serveradmin. In that case you will do the upmost to make sure that the serveradmin only gets the required data and not more that that. In the situation where they do get confronted with personal data i’m pretty sure that they will make a noise about it in the community to get it solved.
The only thing is: we need to rely on the serverhost to report cheats. This can be managed via cheat-detected-broadcasts and the validation of a good functioninng anti-cheat-tool via an external server like already mentioned.
In each other case the source should be open source unless verified on each change by a confident third party like a Criminal Investigation Unit (CIE in Holland).
Considering that you show no willingness to make the tool privacy secure and that the only basis for giving you access to our pc’s is trust; I feel there is no future for Wrex while you have been proven untrust-worthy, the way data is send and what is done to our privacy. Not to forget that in no freakin plot we should accept a spyware tool which not only rethrieves all kind of undefined data, but also seems to be able to write things onto our pc like someone else discoverd down below.


Yeah, we have to thrust server-admins partly. Everyone in the server knows in that situation that something has been detected that a log was written to the server. People can make screenshots of the broadcast and the serveradmin will be forced by other players to report it.
And if he doesn’t… shit floads everywhere. People will spread the word and become aware that a serverhost is creating a platform for cheaters. No-1 wants to play where cheaters are and if they do, have fun! In the case of a CB-match where something gets detected: a win for the team where no cheat was found is already a rule. So both public and private are covered with the help of serverhosts.



It is quete obvious that you know nothing about any kind of law, not even about the position of the 1978 act which you named on the Unreal-North. The law is as easy as the internet: search for something specific and you find it. The law works a bit different in a way that other laws overrule others. I conclude that that you did not even did an attempt to verify the claims by me and Ruination and that you are not even willing to listen to verify fundamental rights.

You also already showed how sure you were by stating that you did a great job on the Legal part with wrex since NHK on the Unreal-North. But in fact absolutely nothing changed since then accept some warning text. You can write whatever you like, but fundamental rights overrule everything and i’m sure economic risks do also. Doesn’t this sound logic to you?

The conclusion on the topic at EPIC about NHK still stands while nothing changed since then: Using a game as a backdoor to access someone's PC - does not matter for what reason - is a violation of privacy, thus it is illegal!

Not to forget that it is a known way to steal copyrighted content cq do economic damages. I don’t hear you replying to this nor showing any will from you to solve this important matter. The only thing in respond is ‘trust’. Yeah, we trusted our money to Greece and what abouth Bill Clinton and his: ‘I did not have…’

For the others who are still naiive: Paris wouldn’t have extended eu-datacenters nor French would not base international companies if spyware software wasn’t covered by law. I’m not able to read French law, but I don’t need that while I use common sense.



Yeah it must be that 4%!
You know what the online scans do? Test your file/program while it’s not being active. Norton Insight is unique and already warns users upon downloading previously removals of the file at other users. Insight warned me thus and the download was labeled ‘suspicious’ up on this historic data. Upon executing nothing happened, but at the moment i pressed ‘start scan’ my system froze to come back active after Norton erased Wrex.
On the list of 40 scanners, only two of them showed a prolonged clean sheet following PC Pro, but no active scan is made with this online tool. For example a car; it’s not a weapon unless in movement.

Besides that: why does the wrex website state that the AV must be shut down up on the use of Wrex? Having troubles with AV’s?



PIPE\lsarpc refers to the complete PC AND THE PRIVATE NETWORK IT IS ON (win7: windows key, type PIPE\lsarpc and enter to test yourself) meaning Wrex does not only READ your whole pc, but it also is able to WRITE data anywhere. It’s even worse than expected…

What about your comment below about ‘should not play with company laptop’. We are not free to use whatever we want? Anyway, if using a gamerig instead of a company laptop, it doesn’t matter at all: wrex scans it also while it is clear now what it also has write rights to the private network.


Aah, you agree on the aspect to name it spyware. I ealier quoted who is allowed by law to use such tools and you are not allowed to use it.


I feel you haven’t made any point yet and all have become far worse within this thread instead, but correct me if i’m wrong. Neither you succeeded in creating any kind of confidence. The confidence you ask us to give to the project, but a simple question as: alter this to secure cheats, privacy and safety stays unawnsered.
If you are not willing to accept that your system has serious shortcomings and violations, nor thake them away; this is the guy who asked us to have trust in him?

If you really are willing to make a fist to cheaters within the possibities of the law and only that: I provided you the red-line already and Punkbuster proves that it does not loose it’s effectness within. I still offer you my knowledge on the legal part, while I prefer not to have cheaters around on my servers and I must conclude there is no effective and legal anti-cheat-tool around atm.

+1 and
What about Donzi who is named as cheater in here, but who actually got banned by DavVador while Donzi made known testing a cheat to get it on a blacklist. Source: epic forum.

Concluding; DavVador already proved way back not to be a person who can be trusted even not when you have the same goal as him.

+1 for your summary Mercury
I really try to only base my comments on facts, while the wrex authors only ask 'trust'.

5 years I think is due to law... correct me if im wrong dav

Funny, we didnt have any troubles with wrex.

Oh my Goodness...

As long as UT dont have official AntiCheat System, it's always a Problem to use any AntiCheat Tool. But AntiTCC was written by Wormbo, a non Clan Player with some Experience and goodwill.

Wrex is an unknown Tool, and it scans your personal files too.

"The collected data may consist of your IP adress, MAC adress, GUID, operating system informations, computer informations, game informations, screenshots and any references (path + name, encrypted hash) to suspicious files or activity and may be stored up to 5 years."

Why do you need my MAC adress, my operating system infos or computer infos?! What will be stored up to 5 Years?! And who will manage these informations? A Clan who is playing UT in Cups? Lol
In about 5 Years we wont play UT anymore, so why 5 years. And whats after this time?

I personally disagree with Wrex coz in my eyes its obscure what happens with my personal data. So uniQ disagrees, if you ask for Wrex. Only on TAM we had to accept for playing the cup.

sorry for my bad english...

do you even know what we are dicussing or are you drunk?

rolf<<<<
by utker: that is it not a cheat that is nvidia logo.dll
by you: that is it not a cheat that is it a (compressed cheat) zip file
please, if you think you're smart, try another lie
idiot

Correction 1/4 wants wrex and 3/4 doesn't

Sorry

Only if you had two braincells you could have just checked those profiles. I was never got cought cheating. Only a suspicous zip file and a few corrupt people caused that profile.

Think before you write , if you can think of course.

The only thing I'd like to say is I don't like WREX, I don't hate DavVador or Tirforman they are okay. But I don't want to play with a sort of software that is 100% illegal.

And I don't want to wait untill the scan is finished, because the scan will take a very long time to finish.

@Matador: They have enough to say, because there isn't any proof that those guys are cheaters.
@Ibrahimovic: You are only stating facts, I totally agree with you.



And to be honest, I prefer a better AntiCheat.
So maybe someone needs to make a new AntiCheat Software.
There are better options.

Atm 3/4 wants WREX | 1/4 doesn't want WREX ( This is another reason why I say no aswell )

I only want the best for the community.

I guess that's it.

ashween was never actually part of the smd lineup, i think he played a couple matches for smd2 a few seasons ago. besides him no one from smd has been found to be cheating since the clan was created. every claim people make against smd means nothing when you have no concrete basis to go by, and no proof. so please just leave us alone

also, what matador is saying is a false dichotomy. ignore him

as for "once a cheater always a cheater" I don't really believe this, it applies to some personalities but its more like "once a cheater, always labelled a cheater". CB can ban people for having a trace of cheat but I suggest people form their own opinions about each case rather than following the masses

one time cheated, will always cheat

wtf here this clans:

- utzone ->got caught donzi
- smd -> got caught shine, suspect kng, nummi, paulus
- LiD -> got caught holken, suspect adders
- mooN ->got caught mairon

these clans have nothing to say

for me ist clear
people who have been caught with cheat like you are against wrex, no wonder why

Not all the suspicious files are displayed in the public log, only the 100% verified.
His cookie from the cheat website was already logged but not displayed for public, we updated the database to make it visible and it was visible to public.
No need to alter any log.


Cheating in UT or anygame is the same, he was banned for cheating and never served his ban.


Untill proven, Wrex doesnt break any law.
CB forbids the use of cheat and CB forbids the fact of having cheats.
Both are punished by CB and we need to ensure this rule is applied.
Many other anticheats checks for cheat no being loaded (antitcc, safegame, UAC, etc...), this is nothing new and antitcc + UAC at least looks for cheats outside of your game directory aswell.


Explain me this then :

Source : http://cheat.clanz.nl/hid=3222458_22_10_2011.rar
From HID : http://clanbase.ggl.com/humaninfo.php?hid=3222458&suspend=1
I can make you a demo one day on one of my server, using antitcc only i'm able to list the whole content of your desktop or my documents folder.


You prolly mix things here.
Ruination so no source code at all.
Wormbo saw full source code of NHK from the released available at that time, same for the other persons i mentioned.
But yes, i agree this is useless as an anticheat is subject to be updated frequently and thus the source code is evolving and we wont share source code anymore.


I dont know for punkbuster, but for antitcc this is how it works :
You join the server, antitcc checks you, you got some files being detected, those files infos are sent to the server only using a log file and "broadcasted" to the players connected to the server only.
My point was, you can setup a server with antitcc, try alone if your cheat are detected, delete the log yourself if something was detected untill you find one ok with antitcc and then join any server without taking much risk of being caught. And this is a major flaw in the system imo.


I'm still very sure of myself, no matter what you or wormbo says about it, my complete adress is given a few posts under this one, feel free to sue me if you are convinced it brakes the law, i'm sure it doesnt.
And as antitcc is doing the exact same thing, scanning for files on your computer and sending those infos to a different place (the server), feel free to sue anyone using antitcc aswell.


Yes, i claim it was in the 4% of Norton.
Check what wrong was detected in your Norton Security, i'm sure it wasnt a virus or a malware.
And even from the link you gave it says :

Now look in details to what it was :

I see only microsoft files, .net framework files and virtual files here.
So boooh Wrex is such a mega spyware !



No more comment from me, you made your point, i made mine, feel free to still not trust me, i'll be fine with it.

You are still corrupting the truths. Just because of this attitude people don't trust YOU and YOUR WORK .

I remember you banned Refl' upon a logfile you altered yourself. You forgot to erase or modify a logfile of a 59 seconds earlier scan, which scan dured over 30 seconds, and where nothing was found. While Refl played in between those scans in the server there is no way he could download and place the 'detected' file in the folder youself made up. This only proves how trust-worthy you are and influences my thoughts over wrex as a whole in a more negative way than it already had considering the law thing.

So what if someone once used a cheat in a game many years ago? You never did naughty? Ooh, wait you do by forcing serverhosts to install software on their servers which makes them a criminal by law.
Nothing makes clear that Refl' even once made use of a cheat in UT. Even not if he is Lampje, so why should I ban someone who wants to have fun, adds fun and seemed to have visited a website which url contained the name of a known 2k4 cheat :S

"If you play in cups, you play for competition and competition needs some decent anticheat measures."
True, but this doesn't mean the violation of fundamental rights and risk a lot to a group of individuals where at least one already showed to be untrust-worty. Punkbuster doesnt breach any law and is effective in it's attempt to erase cheaters. Why can't you? Why is it required to have access to ALL files? This is not at all required to point out that someone is using cheats.

BTW: antitcc does not have full access to files like you claimed. Another false statement by someone we have to trust.
Ooh and like Ruination already stated himself and like you now in your post: he only saw a part of the code. Ruination still felt the need to make a topic about your trust-wortyness after ahving viewed it. So he is at least suspicous and still not convinced. Why do I have to in that case? And offcourse, the the program has been changed since than... and can still be altered. What if you guys want to create trust in this small community which it now is and then continue to UT4... One million players, i hope, and a small change to your program...
You asked me to stop spreading lies: the only thing you do here is trying to bow a half-truth to a full. Problem is that Ruination himself damaged it to a no-truth. Concluding: I did not lie, I even chose those words very carefully

"Sure, so you can test you cheat on your own server to see if it's detected or not and then delete the log if needed.
Or you can even cheat in all the wars played on your server and delete/edit the log to make you clean.
Dont you see any flaw in such a system ?"
Yawn: antitcc and also punkbuster broadcasts detected cheats and also removes the player instantly from the server. Problem solved?

"Show me where it breaches the law ?" For fuck sake noob, ruination / wormbo already mentioned it in his untrust-worty topic on unreal-north on behalve of, at least, the people from the UK. I can't help you being so tunnel-visioned. You even stay tunnel-vissioned while others say you are doing wrong in a big way and name the source of their claim. This is not something like crossing the zebra with a red-light. Go study International Law yourself if you do not want to accept things that others claim and you do not wish to reflect.
I am not here to fuck you up. I named the solution to get your tool being accepted within the possibilities which the law supplies. Including you to warn you up on the changing supra-national directive replacement which will make you a criminal if you do not alter the way wrex works.
The goverment did not make these laws for nothing: spyware can cause HUGH economic damage. Start to face the fact, or at least others to get this kind of risks to stop.

I already named it in an earlier post, the 1995 data protection directive which quite a few eu-states used to implement in their national law makes clear that current servershosts outside france are liable for the creation of a spyware platform aswell liable for the violation of the fundamental right of privacy. Search yourself which states signed it. Not having signed these directive does not mean that national law of a state doesn't secure there assets (like uk which has the most strengthned protection). The directive states that all signed states need to do a follow-up in their national law containing the naming of the punishments upon the violation of the things named in the directive. For Holland this means: 2~4 years jail and/or a categorie 4 or 5 fine (20K~40K).
If you and your wrex-friends turn out to be not that trust-worty as you claim to be, this is what we in holland risk. The eventual punishment will be less than named above but the minimum is too much already. If you and the other creators lived in holland atm and hosted a server in holland: you would get the max.
I am unknown with the penalties in surrounding countries, but they won't differ that much I guess.

"The wrex client hasnt been updated recently and if you look at the link i gave you, the analysis date is 2012-04-23 (3 weeks ago). "
PC Pro UK states that NIS allows ALL programs that are found secure. NIS allows 96% of the programs which contain bad habits, but do no harm. Meaning you claim that your tool was in that small 4%...
Hmm, I go to the casino and I have 4% to win... I have more trust in a virusscanner that has been voted twice best in the last three years and performs a clean sheet during all those years in tests.

Like the 12 year old Victoria Grant said this week: Never doubt that a small group of people can change the world… Indeed, it is the only thing that ever has.

I wouldnt mind using wrex in iCTF, works fine in iTDM. People who doesnt want it maybe isnt cheating atm but have tried earlier and is afraid it might find a trace of cheat. One other thing is that when facing a really good player I dont have to suspect him or her of cheating.

This sounds easier than done. There are so many Hard/Software available, so many player preferences, settings, and gameplay, today you won't be able to detect if someone is a cheat or not just by watching a demo. where is Impure now?

The "Easy Going Clan Insta" (EGC-i) disagrees with WREX being used.

oD agrees
oD2 agrees
TEAM GERMANY CTF TEAM agrees
zorrs agrees
bear agrees
legend agrees
team seitaridis agrees

should count imo i dont know why we are voting again...we already had that voting about wrex like 2-3 times now...and always wrex won...i dont get why the admins doing another vote...just accept the fact that the comminuty already voted YES 3 fucking times now...i dont get it how u cant support a new anticheat tool...

Hi Mercury

I say you're clean when you play with Wrex.
In my eyes you are still far from being clean as you are a returning cheater who never served his ban.
I agree ramp and impure should have been more sanctionned but at least they serve(d) the sanction CB gave them.
And i'm definitely not quitting CB because of you, there are many reasons behind my decision, you are just one example among others.

wN says no to WREX.

P!b says no too, according to Brutal's post

Conclusion: For me it's a big no

So we agree I'm clean? Say I would be the guy you think, who used CoD cheats in 2008. 4 years later, in a different game, would he be a bigger thread than guys like raMp, iMpure etc (who actively used UT2004 cheats and are able to play again)? Or do you just personally hate me and want to bring me down no matter what, even if you have to give up CB Supervisor for that?

Glad we agree on the clean part though

There's nothing wrong with that.
Being clean when you launch Wrex isnt incompatible with being the returned cheater you are.

No matter what anti-cheat you use, there will always be people who will continue to accuse others. I don't think there's any way to stop people from accusing.

But since I couldn't edit my previous post for some reason, I'd like to say that because of what I said earlier, P!b withdraws from the vote since internal opinions about the subject are too divided.

I play with Wrex and Dav still calls me a returned cheater even though I'm 100% clean. So what is Wrex for really? Just for power

Clans should not be able to decide whether or not to enable a certain anti-cheat software, that is something for the supervisors to decide and for Clanbase to make sure the software is trustworthy. If it is, then yes please, enable Wrex. If it isn't, then no. It should be as simple as that instead of letting clans (who probably include some cheaters, I'm not accusing anyone, I'm just assuming that in every game, in every community, cheaters are around) decide.

WHERE do I call your name? I never did that, because I'm not that low.

You should see a therapist. Your whole life exists of catching me. Let it go man, seriously. Don't take the game down with your obsession.

ClanBase really needs to look into your behaviour, as it's damaging their image. You should be banned with all your hate and false accusations towards me and EB.

You can scan full computer for any kind of file with antitcc.
So if people play on a company laptop, it's better they dont join a server with antitcc.

And if you have that much highly top secret files on your pc, dont take the risk to play an online game like UT on any server not being yours.
It's easy to retrive any folder content within the game.

Then if you are honest with yourself, start making some cleanup in your own rank, cf. lampje/refl


Poor of you and you didnt join the iCTF cup because of Wrex ?
Ah... wait there's no Wrex in this cup and you still didnt join, so yeah CB is surely blackmailing you.


If you play in cups, you play for competition and competition needs some decent anticheat measures.
If you want to play for fun, play some random war on a public or look for an irc war, CB is a place for competition


Sure, so you can test you cheat on your own server to see if it's detected or not and then delete the log if needed.
Or you can even cheat in all the wars played on your server and delete/edit the log to make you clean.
Dont you see any flaw in such a system ?


This is already done


This is already done aswell, we didnt wait your ideas to code it.


Show me where it breaches the law ?
Explain me how antivirus could be legit then or how antitcc is legit ?
And known places for cheats = desktop, my documents or any folder from your pc.
A cheat nowadays = a .exe file you double click and launch from anywhere on your pc.


Show me where please.
Arpharazon received one of the firsts code release of NHK on 13/11/2008.
He then received one of the latest code release of NHK on 21/09/2011.

Wormbo received the current NHK source available at that time on 25/03/2011.
He admited it on 28/09/2011 here :
http://www.unrealnorth.com/forum.php?action=viewtopic&id=76893
"While it is true that he showed me one particular version of the code, my judgment of that particular code can in no way be generalized to NHK in general."

Piroman (C&A chief) received the current NHK source available at that time on 28/03/2011.

So stop spreading lies please.



That's true and my point is you can send any code you want, it wont help making you more trusty and will only help the wrong people.


So if i can code a virus, does it mean i'll make one ?
If notepad is coded in C++ and with C++ you can code virus, does it mean notepad could become a virus with windows update ?
If i can kill someone using a knife, does it make me a criminal already ?
It's not because something can be done that it will be done, you cant judge people or things on what they can do but what they actually do.


The wrex client hasnt been updated recently and if you look at the link i gave you, the analysis date is 2012-04-23 (3 weeks ago).
Since the beginning Wrex is passing this test successfully.
But you have to understand something, most antivirus come up with firewalls and other special features.
Those features are some time too agressive and simply block or delete unknown stuff or potential risks, not meaning there's an actual risk.
And Wrex is subject to be updated anyday in order to be always up to date.

BtK 1 and 2 agrees

Fc2 agrees too , dno if it counts x)

You replaced the wrex clientprogram on your site recently?

Norton Insight on Win7 32-bit made clear, a few days before the first TAM springcup match, that wrex was unsecure and specificly asked me if I wanted to continue downloading. Up on pressing the start-a-scan-button it removed wrex.
The downloadable file of today is tested secure by NIS, it even accepts a scan.
I wonder whats under the downloadbutton tomorrow...

First of all Wormbo / Ruination stated that he did not.

Second: Even for coders; some applications can be too technical to review.

Third: It does not take away future risks up on accepting the suggestion that the initial code was acceptable.

We are doomed to thrust some individual(s) who is able to change the program into a program which can collect all kind of data (dunno, but maybe it already does, who knows!). What if UT still had 1 million players? Now trustworthy doesn't mean they will stay that way. Why risking shit?
Some people play on a company laptop...

I hope EPIC will get punkbuster on UT4.

The only thing we all have in common is: we don't want our game get spoiled by cheaters.

To place cheaters outside of the community we should grab every chance possible, but I feel we shouldn't do unlawful things or force others to do so up on nor creating a platform for a tool that is known as spyware cq insecure and unstable as a tool to think we get our goal. (yes wrex outdated)

I also feel that cheaters will eventually get caught. If you don't trust a player, make a demorec, analyze and use common sense combined with demoplay-mutators.

The reason EB plays is that CB blackmails us: wanna play --> install Wrex. I recommended my players to install a clean copy of Windows on a external bootable HDD / flashdrive to use it only for CB-games.

Many anti-cheat systems, including Wrex, are already outdated. We play for fun and not for money so there is no reason to push aside laws.

If you want your anti-cheat tool to be accepted:
- logs and proof should only be send to the serverhost. A legal agreement between the client and the host exist up on connection by the client.
- the wrex server-programmature should get secured and activated via an external server which tests if the serverhost didnt modify a thing. If timeout: wrex disabled.
- the scan should only scan in use memory and on known places if not it will be in breach with law.

The 1st and 2nd make sure that no law will be breached and that the tool can't be used to collect sensitive data while in principal the authors will make sure that the server host won't get bothered with such data.
In other words: the way how punkbuster works. Punkbuster worked with AA2 (unreal 2 engine game) and AA3; ask them in which way they can serve you and our community while im not able to code.

Idd, I get kicked from servers midgame while Wrex crashes on the background. The use of Wrex also results in some minor lagspike interval around each 30 seconds. If Wrex was legal and secure I wouldn't mind this though.

Background crash 'fixed' with WinXP instead of Win7.

You call me by my name, i call you by yours, you say i need to grow up, i tell you the same, nothing more.


If i was a dictator Wrex would be on in every single cup since i'm GS.


And you're someone better to trust maybe ?

Gee, getting personal. Real mature :') You're over 30, who cares? Aren't we all here to play UT? Or are you here to rule over us like a dictator?

And hey, I know a few more clans from CoD that hate Wrex. Wasn't stated in the news item they can't vote right? But you are a guy of half truths, bending EVERYTHING so that it suits YOU. And we have to trust you?

The cheaters aren't the problem. You are.

Where do you read this is only limited to the clans participating in the iCTF cup ?


I said it's biased if we follow your reasoning : counting only the votes from the clans in this cup.


Says the one who got caught cheating and is banned up to 2018, yeah grow up, you're 22 now, it's time to be an adult.


Later Yannic, later honey <3

@Tomek&Dav

SERIOUSLY? So if it's clear that most people don't want the same as you, you can't accept the fact and go in denial?

This item was about the following:

This news item is for all Clan-Leaders, can all Clan-Leaders write in the comments section below whether they Agree with Wrex being used or Disagree with Wrex being used.

So yeah, you say it's biased from the start? And if it's made in TAM, it's biased too, cause there Wrex is already in use. And if we just force it, it's biased too, because you created the tool.

You can always make excuses. Grow up. Face the facts.
And Dav just please leave CB already.

Ask people living in Switzerland and earning more than 1 billion euro per year if they want the full removal of the banking secrecy.
Wont you see any problem in such a poll ?

It's the same here, when you ask only people who joined a cup without Wrex their opinion about Wrex, the result will be biased from the start.

And you are noone to tell if a topic can be locked or not.

now its: 45% disagree
5% preffer not
30% wants to
20% didnt make choice
so its still open topic, but question is about all clans what have got over 5 players, for exemple DiE is active in 3on3 ictf ladder and they have more than 5 players active, same with cK.

To make it easier for the supervisors, again the score from clans that play in this cup.

Disagree:

- re
- utzone
- smd
- boss
- LiD
- mooN x2
- FG
- p!b


Prefer not:

- MXS

Agree:

- ST2
- Fc
- Ui x3
- oD (altough Soulja disagrees)




Conclusion: More than 50% does not agree with Wrex for the next cup.

This topic can now be locked.

I'm one of the players who didn't want to play that iTDM cup coz Wrex was on.
Playing iCTF without such a tool is wonderful.

*Wrex in none cups*

DiE agrees

I'm one of the players who didn't want to play that iCTF cup coz Wrex was off.
Playing TAM and iTDM without any cheaters is wonderful.

*Wrex in every cups*

yoo luke im your....

ah fuck it..

shadow is associated with the dark side of the force LOLOLO

Yeah and your name, shadow, sounds like the dark side of the force, doesn't increase my trust in you and makes me think you're a cheater.

See how easy it is to judge

His name sounds like a greek person, doesn't increase my trust in this tool these times !

If you call a little flaw giving some clans opinion about a cup they dont even play in or commenting about anticheat measures while your other CB profiles are banned up to 2018, then OK, let's stop it, it's a useless discussions


If you think Wrex makes the game dying, you're wrong imo.
Just look at TAM cup, it runs fine and smooth even with Wrex.
The game is dying because it's old and because cheaters like you still exists.

I like your website and its results :
http://anubis.iseclab.org/?action=result&task_id=1201e8a12bf532264b9eff4fa59eff142&format=html

If you want to check it properly, try this link :
https://www.virustotal.com/file/0ee2d1c5fea70a9ffc49d6d78b3e1e4cea4e43601a2e7bcd5ffc0ef38fb93a20/analysis/
Tested successfully with 41 antivirus

WHAT ARE YOU HIDING DENK.

From what i learned in the past, this is useless.
I sent source code of NHK to Wormbo, to Arpharazon, to Piroman (CB C&A chief) and it still wasnt thrusty enough for some people like you.

The source of Wrex belongs to Elcrolonosios and will never be released to anyone, you like it or not.

But we gave admins access to CB C&A department and a few other persons.

Yeah, that MUST be the reason...

I also vote NO (eventhough I aint no clanleader) and don't have anything to hide and I doubt that anyone thinks that I do...

Only ST2 people have access to the tool (which I can understand, because they don't want the source code to leak out). Give someone who has a lot of credit access and then I might reconsider

Edit: Oh, +1 for Z.Ibrahimovic's comment!

Nope Sir, Picaroon (ø_o) is against WREX.

We used Wrex, we hadn't had any performance or other issues in that direction- neither any issues ingame so far, the good thing, the lags caused by ineye demos were prevented with wrex (no ineyes needed).
We can't say what sensitive information (i don't care about ini, pr0n etc.) Wrex is collecting in the background apart from their privacy policy: The collected data may consist of your IP adress, MAC adress, GUID, operating system informations (?), computer informations (?), game informations (?), screenshots (?) and any references (path + name, encrypted hash) to suspicious files or activity and may be stored up to 5 years (5 years?!).
Only thing is, we don't trust Wrex, since the beginning there were a billion warnings and discussions about Wrex, only few know what they speak of here (me excluded), in the End we only want to play a game we like, we don't like the idea of being forced to use this tool (except the anticheat aspect) to play competitive.
Finally i want to say that we are nevertheless appreciating your work and effort on a program superficially against cheats, but you should consider building a more 'player-friendly' version.

further readings about Wrex
http://clanbase.ggl.com/news_league.php?lid=11585&nid=355569
http://forums.epicgames.com/threads/768434-NHK-anti-cheat-mutator-IMPORTANT-UPDATE
http://www.unrealnorth.com/forum.php?action=viewtopic&id=76893
http://www.fair-gamers.de/index.php?option=com_joomlaboard&Itemid=38&func=view&catid=4&id=8610

some random analysis
Wrex Launcher:
http://anubis.iseclab.org/?action=result&task_id=1a7b3e85a6bfa69a4e963fc697cdabf59&format=html
Wrex Scanner:
http://anubis.iseclab.org/?action=result&task_id=1b2d22b85a43da9042d3537edc0db465b&format=html
Logchecker:
http://anubis.iseclab.org/?action=result&task_id=17151cf1f88149ad459f778afec301f29&format=html

fc recruit ramp TROLOLOLOLOL =D

they are all corrupt,like ruination was,like kaboom was, cb ut2k4 ictf blow me

in this day and age, activity > *

Great backbone you have there. If you can't win vs cheaters, just recruit 'em. I bet raMp loves to play with Wrex next cup.

I don't see you whining about SoA, who don't play iCTF, nor TAM, nor iTDM. Yet GD might join in next season so it would matter to them.

If you'd take the clans in this cup, then have fun:

- re
- utzone
- smd
- boss
- LiD
- mooN
- mooN2
- FG
- p!b

disagree. That's 9 out of 20 clans that play this cup. Since Ui has 3 clans I'd say about 50% so far.

In the TAM cup so far, we've played vs St. qeX and nM. None of those clans were happy about Wrex being forced.

Stop finding little flaws in my posts to whine about. Can we agree that probably more than 50% of the community doesn't want your Wrex?

Do you understand that I/we don't want this game to die yet? And you are blind if you would say Wrex helps keeping the game alive, cause it won't. Few more publics shutting down means game over. We need activity, period.

I forgot something.
I dont see any of these teams playing the current iCTF cup without Wrex.
And i can even notice EB is playing the TAM cup with Wrex.
So what would it change if Wrex is required ?

pib say no

I think Ui can vote 3 times as they got 3 teams in the cup already

Ui2 agrees!

We don't really care bout the community's opinion and certainly not the opinion of a dick banned till 2099 .. And hey cmon if there's one clan that got fucked over and over again by cheaters its Fc

It's a builtin function from Epic's security/anticheat uscript code and yes first releases didnt remove the admin logins.

We added rights to admins to see nicknames, those were logged already but only displayed to wrex admins.


Anyone can download and use a cheat.
Should we ban everyone because they can cheat ?


raMp never played with Wrex and i think is not ready to use it.
Because some clans accept it, doesnt mean everyone from the clan is accepting it.


It doesnt, NHK did (and removed the admin logins bind automatically after a few releases).
You can do it within a few lines in uscript, no need for wrex.

Before wrex, even with NHK he could do . I was stunned when my admin logins read at my face first time...

It's already proven that Dav / ST2 can edit the Wrex logs. In my log they edited nick/filenames.
If they want they can set you up with anything they want.
Not saying they will - but they can.

And just like Hazzle says. It almost seems that robot/vader and clans like Fc who play with raMp (lol Akira) support Wrex so they seem clean.

Finally, Dav didn't deny that Wrex copies your ini, even though he read my post. So Dav, does Wrex read/copy ini? Can you see my adminlogin bind?

Only by your definition, thats the point. I dont trust you.

I honestly dont care, it's just showing the level of their arguments.
If some people want to send personal attacks, feel free to "attack" me, i like it.

you hit better than we do and the whole community accuses us, when we don't even play anymore but cup matches

people just get mad salty when they lose

half of the community is wrong to be honest - half of the fucktards of the community say i cheat yet i dont care :>


just keep on, its amusing

who from smd?

Why are so many ppl saying u cheat Våder? its like half the community soon, are you cheating? im just asking...

most useless comment ever from hazzel. gj dude

So far kiri and Vader are cleaner than you.

I agree with Wrex.


I love Wrex and I want to have sex with Wrex ^^

Funny, its again the cheaters that are supporting wrex (kiri/vader). I guess they really care about their appearence, glad to see the community knows better.

Interesting flame when asked for a "yes or no" response


Also, people need to stop with the personal attacks vs DavVador + crew. e.g.




As you don't really know the person, it's very easy to make a critisism from afar.



So what happened to finding out what the community wants? Also, this would not be effective immediately, but from Fall OC.




really?

if u think that the people behind wrex are corrupt than u are more than wrong...dav brought us an anti-cheat tool which has already prooven how good it is...a bunch of players have been detected with it...

download a programm and start it 30 mins before match time doesnt take soo much effort or does it??? so those are bad excuses...besides my scantest takes 3-4 minutes, some counts for my mates...

the only people corrupted in here are the admins of this cup...which i can proove they are and i already did to dav...dont know whats gonna happen about that...

dav always cares about everyone and always takes his time to listen to everyone...so oD team stands behind dav with 110%

Good You don't have to trust me, I'm 100% clean by Wrex in TAM. Glad you trust in Dav since he will be leaving CB in a month and have access to your info for the next 5 years

Some members from FG are really fucked off WREX, cause it was crashing all the time and on a few machines it was not possible to get it running... so FG SAYS NO

Idd, Eß says no:

- Wrex is in breach with fundamental rights and makes most serverhosts a criminal by law.
- Wrex is an economic security risk.
- Wrex is outdated.

The way Wrex works is since 1995 forbidden in many European states following the highly supported eu-data-directive and it’s upcoming supranational, strengthening reform: http://ec.europa.eu/justice/newsroom/data-protection/news/120125_en.htm
France did not adopt the 1995 directive which makes the authors free to use, apply, develop and forward sensitive information. This does not take away the fact that in the current situation most serverhosts are liable for the breach of their clients fundamental rights. Even if being known and being accepted by the client. Being liable by law and mostly tagged as ‘criminal’, which serverhost is willing to risk up to 4 years in jail and up to a year-salary-fine (20K ~ 40K)?

Ever wondered why you had to disable your anti-virus/firewall cq. internet security upon downloading or executing WREX? The process is a known security risk: undefined information is forwarded to a (untrustworthy) third party. This can be info on your porn-collection, but this kind of software is mostly used to retrieve login-details or company-sensitive info.

I heard xdemic is selling a Wrex-proof cheat-tool via XFire.

It's for the next season, dont worry

Says someone being banned for life.


One got deleted by CB (the one where i said you were allowed again in the cup by CB and expressed my personal opinion about it), one by myself.


That's true, i posted a news item saying i leave CB for many reasons i wont discuss here.
I then deleted this news item as i thought it would be more fair for the players if i waited the end of the cups.
I'm still cup supervisor for the TAM cup (+cosup in iTDM) and it would be really stupid from me and for the community if i only think of me and decided to leave like this in the middle of the cup.
So yes i'm leaving cuz i dont feel i have anything to do anymore with CB but i wont take the players as hostage and i'll take on myself waiting the right moment.


Feel free to sue me if you think Wrex is illegal :
David Fernandes
10 rue de Clermont
63300 Thiers
FRANCE

3 "yes" will follow in short :>

DUB agrees with wrex for TAM

I trust Utker more than you :x I agree with those who said force wrex on to get rid of the dirty folks. Also I have both good and bad experience with Dav but after some time now I realize that he is just a hardworking guy who uses his sparetime to try to help the rest here, he only tryes to do the right thing.

my advice is that you should decide such within the 2k4 crew and not publicly by the community and especially not mid-season change the rules/ conditions who were set before the tourney started.

i never had doubts in Fc

Synetic disagrees .EB disagrees. GD Team 1 disagrees.

The people behind Wrex are some of the most corrupt people in the community. DavVador has made atleast 2 news items on the TAM Cup page that were deleted (by higher CB ppl probably), one of which he said he left CB. 1 week later: he didn't leave. Seems to me he is pretty unstable and corrupt. I don't like to trust my personal info to that guy.

I've got adminlogin binds. Wouldn't be surprised if Wrex made a copy of your ini and send it to the Wrex server.

Plus putting Wrex on my server makes me a criminal by law

Fc agrees

just for the suspense

the only valid reason to say no to such a thing is that u are hidding something...and expected clans with suspicious players are saying no like smd,-lid- and re...

you admins should force wrex like u did in tam and itdm...as u saw we still get players/clans for tam and itdm...there are still too much cheaters going on in the ictf scene

enough clans have voted NO already, just close this 10000000th item about wrex already..... djeezes christ...

Yeah, let's destroy the scene even faster, so we can all get on with our lives.

For the rest -> Sorry for the spam though , but these guys have already converted the topic from simple "yes/no" into flaming .

mooNstruck clan disagree.

I dont play ictf, so dunno if my opinion counts for anything. But the way I see it, some people are lazzy as they are already, without having to use wrex. So off

in theory yes.. but in reality that's not how it goes. so far, in 5 or so games we've played in tam cup, there's always been delay in games just because of wrex scans. I dont mind having wrex in tam cup though (think there were more cheaters in tam scene than ictf)

lol who are u to tell the sups to force anything?
force it and u will see how the ut2k4 community react u little egoistic pideras suka bljad! :P

as always soa agrees for wrex beeing used in any cups, even if in our opinion that shudnt be an existing discussion anymore, it shud be FORCED in all the cups. its ofc a YES for soa

Maybe they werent in the cup because Wrex was not in the cup

LiD totally disagrees. We have had this discussion in the past already. I have my doubts of wrex, same like Hazzle said. Keep wrex out of iCTF or the activity will drop even further..

just lunch wrex 30 minutes before, or when you connect to the war irc chan one hour before the game.

We agree.

The rest is just bullshit, and has been discussed here:

http://clanbase.ggl.com/news_league.php?nid=367487&lid=12647#comments

Balls of Steel Squad also disagree!

MXS: dont really care.. but as, from my experience in tam cup, wrex scans usually delays games atleast 15mins, gonna say no thanks.

+1!!!!
come lets cut the amount of active players by using wrex even in ictf... LOL!!!

and i know for sure, when u gonna do that, maaaany clans willl drop coz of lack of palyers!

LoCo: definitely disagree

smd: nope

UTzone: nope

how can clans that are not in the cup vote for this?

Disagree, redefined disaproves of wrex because we dont trust the people behind it.

how often should we vote for wrex??? thats like the 3rd or 4th time we vote for it...should be like vader said from the beginning in...

oD agrees with wrex

cK agrees with Wrex being used for iCTF cups.

Wrex in please, should have been here from the very beginning!
If you kill the iTDM and TAM community - why not then iCTF as well?