I wish it was my ass ... then i would grab it everytime >

Hehe, yes 5 is slow, everything <10 is a laff in germany ;D

But hey " same goes for me :>

I use sens 5. Man that's low. I agree!

I can RJ manually, but I started using script earlier this year so I could concentrate on my next shot while doing the RJ :>

oh my pallas what an nice girly ass u have :x

I win :x

My but your but everybody's but but

I am curios if that rule will change anything. I dont want to bring up the argument that scandi players use a lower sens then euros and therefore cant rj properly -> they use scripts -> thats why saturation is argueing again

BUT

I use ninja myself, but the only purpose is that i can concentrate more on aiming as on moveming.. i wouldnt say i am not able to rj

Another point is, rj scripts exist for a long time... the most important thing imo is that ninja is much more popular then the 'normal' scripts. I really dont understand why its 'lamer' or whatever then normal scripts, cause if u use ninja u have to aim to make a decent rj and not only hit a button.

So i think the right decision was made by banning all scripts not only ninja.

p.s. maybe we should define a script, is vstr a script too? If so, i cant even pull my weapons.

p.p.s is say_team a script? It says words i declared before the game.Am i allowed to use them?!

p.p.p.s is jumping a script? It makes a move by hitting a button...


kinda senseless discussion :>

All scripts are banned

how will u be able to tell what rj is done by ninja and one is done be a regular rj script ?

this is a part of the game why shouldnt one try to master it without lettin a script do it for him ... lazyness ?

all rj scripts should be banned imo ... much more fun when u do it the old fashion way :P

stepp ur such a pippa :P

Make poll of Who is the best flamer

Tech the word 'strunz' is copyright protected and trademark of DSQ so if you use it in public you have to pay royalities !

NOOOOOO
If you do that i have to kill myself :/

F1 VOTE YES
F1 VOTE YES

AND I THINK THIS SHOULD BE OFFICIAL!

i agree with that ugly strunz
and i also think that the next poll should be about banning peanut M&M's!

I guess that using a pool is not that good for something like this...

I've added the ninja script to my cfg this year but actually I never used it, and I'll leave it soon.

Anyway I have no problem having people using rj scripts... I prefer do it manually because most of the time I rj on walls. This should be a choice of the player... imho using rj script is not that big deal.

regards, meme.

OK, that's a valid point. You can obviously get advantages from using even "normal" scripts, still I'm a little reluctant to wholeheartedly support this rule. In all fairness it's probably called for, yet there is a great number of players that will dislike the decision and I suspect that this is a rule that will be broken fairly often. It's hard if not even impossible to enforce and I wish the sups the best of luck in doing so.

Do such a jump with your crosshair straight in front of you in a millisecond, facing your enemy as soon as you can see him (say, from bottom to middle stair at ra3map11's upper courtyard).
Do it ten times in a row without screwing once, and send me the demo please.

Anyway it's not the point here. The point is, do it with your own wrist, since there's no point in scripting movements.
If movements is something you don't want to work on, play something else.

lol why ban 'standard' rj scripts bergas? cause it eliminates a element of the game aight?

just like cheats eliminate 1 this does to.
rj scripts makes a 100% accurate maximum burst, u can think about aiming while doing it, while others without it hasto both make a perfekt 1 and still be able to think about the surroundings.

And the statement about RJ scripts beeing a part of the game?
then sry it should have been included in the cmd's.

pretty pathetic 'oldtimers' like urself defending a thing like this. just shows how the 'ra3 oldies' like their game. rofl

lol @ ur comparison with invertmouse

I understand and agree with the ban on the so called "ninjascript" since it is impossible to achieve such a jump without scripting it. I really can't see that any argument to allow it has any merit.

Personally I don't care about the ban on more "normal" scripts since I've never seriously used one, however I think it's an unconstructive rule since "normal" scripts don't really have an impact on the game. They can't achieve anything that a normal jump can't.

l0rd, your so poethic, you touched my very inner part of the soul.. etc..

its evolution, yes.
and belive me, i was one of the first swedes to adapt to the "euro style", meaning i was a fucking monkey, rocketjumping around all the time a couple of years back.
still i cant really see how this could take this cup to higher standards?..
and for you commenting that "some nub can take a rj script and be the best player out there in a few weeks".. consider your quotes, coz if thats all it takes, why arent thoose guys best?.
why are the oldtimers, like us, still winning?
etc.
strange banning rj script anyways, doesnt really seem like a big deal.

next poll: ban invert mouse?.

pld.

(btw, im talking about rj script, straight up etc..
never even tried the "ninja" script that takes you forward.)

its not like 'we' want to RJ every map
there's been a lot of discussion about armor dmg in the past
i think typical scandi maps like ra3map2 should be with armor dmg on.. and i think typical euro maps like ra3map11 should be with armor dmg off so all euros can RJ how much they want

this way players are forced to master both ways of playing.. cos seriously, as long as u cant RJ like guga or something, RJ has nothing to do with skill or a better gameplay :|

i think true skill still depends on who hits the most.. and if someone uses a RJ script WHO CARES ITS PART OF THE GAME COS ITS PART OF THE Q3 ENGINE :x

they dont use rj script anymore /o/ cause ninja script is banned :]

the question is why the eurocup winner needs a rj script

Why aim, if you have auto aim
Why move if you have auto move
Why play if you have a bot.

Ok, i propose that you sit and wait for ranger to play vs anaki and note down the result of the match.

Evolution ? rofl

to quote cartman..
"laaaaame"
"weeeeeak"

why forbid cfg scripts as rocketjumping?.
thats taking a step back in the evolution..

i need to rj when sat sits in the corner with rail :/

"Good point"

the point is ... that in RA3 we want to rj in every map =]
So thats why i think you dont have a clue

All euro ra3'ers says "RJ IS SKILL", "RA3 IS RJ"..

So it has all to do with settings.

If you played map defaults you wouldn't RJ your fucking ass off on every map.

And..

Lol

this is gr8 DDDDD
been waiting for cb to do this for a while now D

rj scripts are cheats, they eliminate a element of the game, just as a aimbot.

now all the newb playerz accually have2 leard using a rl + jump kombo ;DDD

Lol, like the game settings have anything to do with the rj scripts. That made my day. Thank you for the useless input

Of course you could argue that if we started with 1 health and 0 armor , we wouldnt use the rocket jumping ... but hey. Anyway, i doubt you will get it, so i wont talk bout it much longer.

enthusiasm

nice to see .. keep it up admins sthexolorD

\/ (by kOe)

get used to it ... thats what others have done ... why should it be different for u ?

yep just like fucking a guy with tit's

Some players (like me) dislike having a different sens depending on the weapon.

err or you could assign a higher sens to your rocket launcher ? and lower ones for your rail & shaft ? pretty obvious if you ask me ..

My tow cents
who dont have skill to do a rj?
well done rj and ninja and this shits sux

Finally

yawspeed is blocked in cpma and the ninja still works so bs

and i agree with saturation, rj isnt the skill of the game... turn on armor damage and falling damage as default is and then lets see what is said :>

bs
with an "old" rocketjump script you look somewhere, press the button, the script looks down, fires and jumps and centers the view again. this way you can look forward all the time.
but with ninja you have to look down because the script doesnt do that for you, it only turns you 90°, fires, turns another 90°, the angle in which you look down determines how far from your ass the rocket will hit your ground -> adjusting your jumps width and height. so you DONT look forward all the time but have to aim down. if you look forward and press your ninja bind you will just fire a rocket out of your ass that goes parallel to the floor....

yawspeed will be blocked in all future releases of osp and ra3 afaik

The thing with the ninja script is that it's an unfair advantage. Say for instance you are on the lowest level on map11 at courtyard and want to rjump up to the middle level. If you use ninja you can look forward all the time and thus you see where the enemy is earlier and can react to it likewise (bit hard to explain but believe me, it's a big advantage). This isn't possible without a script and therefor this shouldn't be allowed.

Another good decision by l0rd and exodus imo

ps: perhaps ra3 1.8 could make a voteable limit to that command used by the ninja script (can't remember atm)

Well let tell me a story about the rj script.
once long time ago i played with sens 40, but suddenly some league admins forced everyone to play cpma instead of ra3.
in cpma the game became all rail and shaft and my leet rl was like useless :/. so i tried to figure out what i could change in my gameplay to rail and shaft better. in the end i changed my sens to 10, it had the wished effect. it was easier to hit with rail and shaft but i had a problem i cant rj any more %$&%&.
To solve this problem i used accel 4. with the accel i had weaker weapon stats but the rj worked again.

2 points why rj script sucks:

1. why rocket scripters dont have to adjust there cfg to do a proper rj like i did of costs of weapon accuracy

2. everyone should be able to react on given problems and just update the cfg

normal record is not laggy, you just have to type \g_synchronousClients 0 after you started recording, the demo will go on.
That said I see nothing in the rules against scripts in general, just against RJ scripts.

well i cant demo without my demo-script is that allowed? because with normal /record its laggy or will all scripts going to be banned too?

RJ is only "half the game" because you make it that way with those armor settings instead of playing with MAP DEFAULTS.

noob euro style :P

more like, try it.

Of course, we might not ask the demo blabla.
However demo should be recorded, if the other team ask for it, they should be given the demo.

No demo -> forfeit loss
Demo + rj -> forfeit loss

And yea of course, the whole shit like player ban and all will be considered. If you feel lucky, just try it. But dont complain after.

rj script users ... lol, how to kill ra3 in two lessons :P
rocket jumping is half of the game, how you can even pretend playing ra3 if you dont even have the balls to jump by yourself, get a life

demos boer ... all has to record .... problem solved :P

well demos are forced, it's in the rules.
I thought too it was not always obvious, but after a bit of thinking, you cannot do a RJ like with a RJ script, with your crosshair back at the exact place it was before you used it, manually, especially if you use such a high sens that you could look like you're using a script.

Record a demo, use a RJ script and try to make the same with manual RJs, and then watch the demo. If you're not sure yet try to lower your timescale to 0.3 or something. It's obvious.

About whether someone sees you using it or not... Yes, if someone feels lucky he can try to use it when he thinks noone will see him nor ask him his demo. But it's the same with hacks, isn't it ?
The idea is to tell everyone they shouldn't use scripts, not to think noone will ever try to cheat.

Agree with boer.

In a match with no admins, yes that's already happening, who will be able to check who's using rj script and not?

I don't think a clan mate of one using would tell the admins and get his mate banned?

Do you?

Lame rule anyway. What's next?

Weapon binds that changes fov and timenudge?

\o/

so how do u wanna control this rule? if its not in a 1on1 situation there's a little chance someone will be caught when he RJ's with a script.. and even when it is seen u cant PROOVE he did it tbh.. maybe he just did a 100% perfect RJ in the style of a RJ script.. u cannot proove it unless PB checks on it, which is kinda impossible i think ;D

and this rule is in disadvantage of the people who are actually able to RJ but who took the time to add something to their config to improve their gameplay even more.. i think its a bit weird ;S

well i use it sometimes myself too and im used to it too

i mean i agree @ both parts

yes! because we are playing ra3 so offcourse u have to own the Rocketjump

no! because some players never tried and I know some who play plenty long time and still cant make a perfect jump so , such a script was a solution.

and u have to agree its hard to addept if u are used to that jumpscript and in 1 moment u cant use it anymore , in that manners i agree with anhi

but I also agree with the rest because the RJ is the heart of Ra3 :>

anhi the poll was only votable for players in this cup, every playerID had one vote. k?

:/

Then again the FIA forbid automatic shifting in Formula One cause it is a skill to use stick-shift. And what is left of a FPS once you remove all the skills elements like moving and aiming by yourself ?
Calling making a script that does a move for you "cfg tweaking" is quite funny to me tbh, I'd rather call it "levelling down".

RJing is a skill.

we should ban using a mouse! cause of the dpi stuff nowadays its just not fair!!! let all go keyboard only! :X

Finally i agree with Kapitar!

it took a while, but even Kapitar has his good sides;px

scripts = 100% perfect move = huge advantage, because for example under pressure you can miss. Making the right move at the right time is full a part of the game and is the difference between an average and a good player.

"Errare humanum est, Scriptare demonicum" <img src='http://www.clanbase.com:8000/smiley4.gif' border='0' width='16' height='16' align=absbottom>

i said i was one, but that was long befor defrag even existed. and now that i'm used to the script it takes time to adjust. if you drive a car with automatic shifting for a long time it will be hard for you to adjust to a stick-shift again, not impossible but hard.

and, if you really want to change rules then start at the clientsettings, e.g. maxfps 333 is still used, and even if the RA3 team adjusted the physical advantage they didnt fix the netcode, with 333 fps you have a higher data-rate which makes it smoother and easier to hit targets.

lol u r one of the few guys who voted for rj scripts so dont come with lame excuses just do it by yourself and if u were a trickjumper u wont touch a rj script in the defrag scene its not very popular to use scripts even if they're simple...

noone says they are hard, but, as every change, it takes some time to get used to. banning them while the cup is running makes no sense.

btw: a poll where everyone (IP) can vote is useless since it takes only a few minutes to download a proxy-client (a4proxy, multiproxy) and set it to cycle proxys each time the pages is loaded and block the cookie -> free unlimited votes for everyone! if you make a poll open it only to registred users...

you voted, you get it that's what i said ... anyways do the jumps yourself, can't be that hard -.-

i agree with anhi, its a bit nonsense banning all this stuff

Sucks

yes, i am using an RJ script cos i'm used to. i was a trickjumper once so i can rj by myself, but i'm simply not used to anymore....whats the next step? banning direct weapon binds so the ppl with small fingers dont have a disadvantage? banning edited configs so all have the same base? limit maxfps to 20?

right - it is only stating the ninja in the rules. so some players asked if simple rj scripts like "look down, shoot, center view" are still allowed, so i polled it sry for not reacting before the cup

all*ninja bitches :x

I dont get it btw... it was talked about by the Q3 admins before the start of the season already and we all agreed on forbidding it in all cups... the old ra3 supervisors didnt care to respond I guess and you 2 prolly were not apointed as sups yet then :/

anyway, it's even already in the rules

check here

good call.. just raise your sens and you'll be able to RJ ;i

good move by Clanbase. Should have been forbidden from the start imho <img src='http://www.clanbase.com:8000/smiley4.gif' border='0' width='16' height='16' align=absbottom>

who needs rj script anyway ?...

who uses script in ra3 is n00b ra3 rocket arena 3 the name says it ROCKET ARENA RJ ARENA NO SCRIPT NEEDED FOR TWAT

gg wp