In the match between
silent Ðeath vs
iNzanE a boostcase occured. After watching all demo's and avi's provided we conclude the boost was
not intentional but
silent Ðeath did
gain an advantage out of it.
The rule provide us: 7. Match rules - general
- sub 8. Launching your teammate, yourself or the flag in any way is not allowed, with exception of methods mentioned below.
- sub 11 If a player gets caught braking one of the above rules, his clan recieves a penalty based on the situation.
Since the flagcarrier got shot from the direction he wanted to go, and he did not time the boost by stopping in his flagrun and the unlikelyness to come up the idea to boost with a slow secondary shockball we believe the boost is unintentional.
However we believe the boost gained
silent Ðeath an advantage, he got quicker and further to the mid, and also more to the right then normally possible, which gave
iNzanE less chance to retreive then normally possible. (Especially the player Gold, who combed to the left of him, where Fraggass normally would land with a dodge jump from the sniperexit)
With both arguments in hand, we decide to
replay the map from the moment it happened, that is Overtime, so the clan who caps first wins the match. There will be
no card given due the boost is considered as unintentional from
silent Ðeath side.
Please schedule your war as soon as possible! wallen (LT ) 17 Jan 2006 23:37 | |
Are there any official words on today's match ? |
| Sabre (Lords) 17 Jan 2006 17:55 | |
hIphOp wrote:
3. It's time to settle with the outcome mr sith, i don't hear Lords whine after they had to replay a match within two days where they couldn't field Vulc. They accepted it like men, i suggest you do too.
sorry, can i just clear something up?
we whined. we whined like babies.
in fact we're all still sulking  |
.ez'Voyager. (.ez' ) 16 Jan 2006 16:53 | |
`Jin^ wrote:
I think they should be made to play ctf-andaction redeemer arena ff100%
Whoever loses has to pay for UT ffa/pug servers for the community.
best idea since big time imo :P |
snakez aka stealth (Legion ) 16 Jan 2006 05:35 | |
do i sense sD being scared of iNz? xDDDDD
haven't read all posts but i just hafta say
the main reason this decision took place is because the cap was critical, it wasn't asif sD won 5-0 or something  ...
Fair decision, anyone who doesn't think so is either a sD fanboy or an sD member scared of losing :E..
gl both, i'll be in UTV \\o |
`Jin^ ([¹²¾] ) 15 Jan 2006 13:21 | |
I think they should be made to play ctf-andaction redeemer arena ff100%
Whoever loses has to pay for UT ffa/pug servers for the community. |
Rayden (-][FIG][- ) 14 Jan 2006 15:27 | |
ban them both imo. especially minifunk |
tyr0n (.st' ) 14 Jan 2006 11:49 | |
er wasnt there a no boost setting in utpure or smt? I remember it had to be enabled back then... |
.ez'Voyager. (.ez' ) 14 Jan 2006 08:54 | |
Z@cob wrote:
i r teh sux!!
Nothing more to say imo! |
Z@cob (.ez' ) 13 Jan 2006 15:47 | |
tbh had no idea about that, its only good you did it, you should be proud. |
hIphOp (z^ ) 13 Jan 2006 15:02 | |
Z@cob wrote:
whaever
Try something else to complain about. I spend exactly the same time in this case as in Orang vs 4G, division 3 summercup. That was a case of an intentional boost & advantagious, so instead of a win for Orang, they got a forfeitloss on Cynosure and lost the match due that. So plz don't come with the attitude it's only done for Div 1 clans.... ask #orangutan if you don't believe me. Now plz stay quiet........ |
Z@cob (.ez' ) 13 Jan 2006 11:38 | |
bah friends greeting friends in here.. gg's have fun i guess, if i ever come up to cb with a boosting sitiuation i want this or more attention to it otherwise ill be a F* pain in the ass |
[w]kepa ([w] ) 13 Jan 2006 09:13 | |
lol muetze. why should i shut up! said my opinion - imo the decision was fair. The rules are rules.
np : abba - the cheater takes it all! |
pyroplexus ([H&P] ) 13 Jan 2006 02:38 | |
{DnF}3d` aka 10fd4g1r|z wrote:
Take a footy analogy. If there's an accidental handball on the goalline, and this clearly prevented a goal, then a penalty will still be given even though the player won't be punished. If it was intentional he'll get sent off as well.
not if he was wearing an arsenal shirt!!!!!111
you and your FA/David Dein conspiracies 8( |
{DnF}3d` aka 10fd4g1r|z ({DnF} ) 13 Jan 2006 01:51 | |
Some unintentional boosts may go unpunished, but not those that led to deciding caps. If sD had won AreaN 7-0 I doubt anything would be done about it. However, that's not the case and this boost changed the course of events that led to the winning cap.
Take a footy analogy. If there's an accidental handball on the goalline, and this clearly prevented a goal, then a penalty will still be given even though the player won't be punished. If it was intentional he'll get sent off as well.
Btw, even medicus posted on this thread. Very rare  |
| Ginga_Ninja (UK) 13 Jan 2006 01:30 | |
sith wrote:
@ clanbase, if u would be faster in your decision we could play with our 'normal' team, now we have to improvise, nice to give us a second punishmend gogo want a third one!
Then what sort of team were you planning on using for your playoff matches? |
~de.cR4zY-n^~ (~de.~ ) 13 Jan 2006 00:32 | |
IT'S DEPPICUS WITH STRANGE C ! |
iNz*Mediçus (iNz* ) 12 Jan 2006 22:46 | |
oh nooo,
you aint able to field your "normal" team, yeah we won allready olol :P
you should, and its seems like ya do, blame yourself for
not winning this one in two straight maps,
i never thought of there bein a third map to be played.
kinda funney one on revenge tho :P
and 'bout bla not able to reach playoffs,
for you not being able to win in two maps with XX:0
vs us at our present level and great motivation,
your not worthy to proceed to the playoffs either :P
thx to hiphop and guff for spending their time on this one.
those cases are more fun than whole group stage was,
ut gettin kinda strange this times,
like that idea with ff = 100%
mb it would be interesting again  |
| will (Lords) 12 Jan 2006 22:12 | |
Z@cob wrote:
equal treatment inst true, would u ever look into 10 demo's from the players if this was a 3rd div cw? never, boost would go unpunished for sure.
imo if boost gave clear advantage then just forfeit sD and thats it, even if its unintentional, they had advantage of it, end of story. If you're counting the boost as not giving advantage then dont default sD, imho the situation is this. Doing a rematch is telling everyone CB doesnt have enough courage to punish or prize. Its the same as making no decision. We dont need you for that.
Well just MAKE A DECISION not a semi-something like this is imho and not trying to be ofensive
to forfeit sD because of a boost (unintentional) is far too harsh, a rematch is by far the fairest decision. |
EViLRiDER ([*P*] ) 12 Jan 2006 21:38 | |
... and z0 sucks so much sD will lose just because of him. :E |
z0 (sÐ ) 12 Jan 2006 21:22 | |
Nijntje wrote:
sith wrote:
errr?
that means the team played vs inz, would also NOT play in the playoffs, where is the problem?
The problem is that mütze cant play one week. So we have to play with a replacement on this &&%$§&map AreaN. So i have to play :E |
Z@cob (.ez' ) 12 Jan 2006 20:44 | |
equal treatment inst true, would u ever look into 10 demo's from the players if this was a 3rd div cw? never, boost would go unpunished for sure.
imo if boost gave clear advantage then just forfeit sD and thats it, even if its unintentional, they had advantage of it, end of story. If you're counting the boost as not giving advantage then dont default sD, imho the situation is this. Doing a rematch is telling everyone CB doesnt have enough courage to punish or prize. Its the same as making no decision. We dont need you for that.
Well just MAKE A DECISION not a semi-something like this is imho and not trying to be ofensive |
| Nijntje ([YuK³]) 12 Jan 2006 18:19 | |
sith wrote:
@ clanbase, if u would be faster in your decision we could play with our 'normal' team, now we have to improvise, nice to give us a second punishmend gogo want a third one!
errr?
that means the team played vs inz, would also NOT play in the playoffs, where is the problem? |
hIphOp (z^ ) 12 Jan 2006 18:03 | |
sith wrote:
@ clanbase, if u would be faster in your decision we could play with our 'normal' team, now we have to improvise, nice to give us a second punishmend gogo want a third one!
1. We don't get payed or anything, it's our free time you talk about.
2. We collected in 4 days all avi's/demo's. Watched them all. Made a post about the case on the ut sups forum to get feedback from various kind of persons within CB, on which several persons replied. We had to check historical cases, because CB wants to set out one line, so every equal case get's the same treathment. Can't get faster then the 4 days it took.
3. It's time to settle with the outcome mr sith, i don't hear Lords whine after they had to replay a match within two days where they couldn't field Vulc. They accepted it like men, i suggest you do too. |
Qk@c (HUN ) 12 Jan 2006 17:58 | |
WonderBRA wrote:
Tiensin wrote:
"Since the flagcarrier got shot from the direction he wanted to go, and he did not time the boost by stopping in his flagrun and the unlikelyness to come up the idea to boost with a slow secondary shockball we believe the boost is unintentional."
Welcome to clanbase.
sD didn't deserve this imo. It was somethin that happens verry often..u just can't take your own members into account while fightin in an area like the mid of arean.
Soz, but im also mainly the one who gives the covers, and should i be now afraid to actually shoot someone near our fc?
I tell you what would be interesting, playing ctf with friendly fire disabled! now that would seperate the men from the boys!!! <img src='http://games.clanbase.com/smiley5.gif' border='0' width='16' height='16' align=absbottom>
Isn't it disabled atm? <img src='http://games.clanbase.com/smiley6.gif' border='0' width='16' height='16' align=absbottom> |
hIphOp (z^ ) 12 Jan 2006 17:55 | |
Belemil wrote:
Weird decission considering all kinds of unintentional boosts that are made.
Think its just couse it was an important game that this decission was made, which is abit stupid tbh :|
But I think sD win anyway so...
All kinds? really? 1. i doubt that.(since they're like 5 in EC history) 2. or they're not reported to us, and it's not our policy to look for cases. When a case is delivered to us we judge them and try to justified outcome. What part consider you stupid?
I find your remark rather stupid and easy |
~de.cR4zY-n^~ (~de.~ ) 12 Jan 2006 17:16 | |
sith wrote:
@ crazy, blalalall blablalbabla o_Ô
fact is, u! (not all of inz), disavow that inz is unable to reach playoffs the normal way, und u try it in such a way now, nice!
@ clanbase, if u would be faster in your decision we could play with our 'normal' team, now we have to improvise, nice to give us a second punishmend gogo want a third one!
Nah I already won enough and alot of people know I couldn't care less what happens in the rest of the cup and I never mentioned you should get punished if there wasn't boost, but there is one and all of my recent posts were made 'cos I am sick of you guys not being able to take punishment like all clans did before you. I simply can't get it why, you say you can rape us anyday, just do it and shut up. We'll only say GG as usual.
/cR4 |
| Ginga_Ninja (UK) 12 Jan 2006 16:52 | |
(01:14:57) (HumaK) there's a guy called poolman...isn't he ita? |
Belemil ([fp.] ) 12 Jan 2006 16:20 | |
Weird decission considering all kinds of unintentional boosts that are made.
Think its just couse it was an important game that this decission was made, which is abit stupid tbh :|
But I think sD win anyway so... |
{DnF}Avlan ({DnF} ) 12 Jan 2006 16:10 | |
od wrote:
This is totally a 50/50 case, i think both sides of the arguement have valid points ::{
ffs you can't do that od, choose a side fs |
| od (UK) 12 Jan 2006 15:31 | |
This is totally a 50/50 case, i think both sides of the arguement have valid points ::{ |
sith (sÐ ) 12 Jan 2006 14:58 | |
@ crazy, blalalall blablalbabla o_Ô
fact is, u! (not all of inz), disavow that inz is unable to reach playoffs the normal way, und u try it in such a way now, nice!
@ clanbase, if u would be faster in your decision we could play with our 'normal' team, now we have to improvise, nice to give us a second punishmend gogo want a third one! |
PooLmaN (LT ) 12 Jan 2006 14:50 | |
it's mÜtze ginga... mütze!! gimme the "ü" :E |
| Ginga_Ninja (UK) 12 Jan 2006 14:40 | |
I think it's going to be fun when de reform with cr4 and mutze on the same team again. <img src='http://games.clanbase.com/smiley4.gif' border='0' width='16' height='16' align=absbottom> |
~de.cR4zY-n^~ (~de.~ ) 12 Jan 2006 14:36 | |
muetze wrote:
~de.cR4zY-n^~ wrote:
PS: when muetze dropped from revenge their flag was already in our base in front of capping. And on second drop it wasn't even taken as far as I rememeber. So I don't quite get the thing about us not being able to cap single flag if he didn't drop. Oh well I guess it's ONE MORE "we're sD, resistance is futile, you will be assimilated" sentence.
NO IT WASNT , and btw turn off your fucking sd`resistance shit thx nap
and it´s still not a boost , just learn it. name it however you want BUt it´s not a boost.
and kepa what about : shut up? btw it´s still me > you
It was, call me what you like my post had sense, check what scream is typing around all the time followed by sith ever since sD exist. kepa's tea mraped you this EC. And besides this later wins vs iNz you never had real sucess against me, and individual skill can't be compared since even with sniper you can't do shit. :P Let's not talk about brains in game(and out?) OR other weapons.
You acted all kindly and shit before EC started and towards me + others, I knew it'll need one news item like this to show how big nerd you and your mates (except gab) are.
I also know you kind talking with you after the match will be ended after this newsitem, and it wasn't my fault nor iNz's nor anyones. That's shows how fucked up you are, thinking you're smtn and you are actually a dipshit. Eventho my previos post was 99% aimed at sith.
Nap.  |
[.Levi*257.] ([.Levi.] ) 12 Jan 2006 14:17 | |
As i also said to hiphop @ query:
I really don't understand that decision, cause there aren't rules for that - BUT sometimes a supervisior has to decide on strange things in a strange situation. So that is okay and we all have to accept this.
But another thing is: I really hope that this all will be a replay of the WHOLE map. Tacts and positions will be totally fucked up with that goldan cap rule - also both will play more defensive - it's more exciting with 20min timelimit and also the better clan would win, not the luckier one!  |
hIphOp (z^ ) 12 Jan 2006 14:15 | |
Maybe you should check out historical boost cases and then think again. The part of gaining an advantage entered clanbase long ago when judging a boost or launch. And why is a launch intentional in any case?, you can launch a teammate by accident as well. Makes no sence for me. |
Z@cob (.ez' ) 12 Jan 2006 13:59 | |
Well ut is ut and this things happen so i dont agree with rematch, imho it just should count cause its something that happens and that the map repeating is based on "if's".
If he hadnt been boosted and if gold hit(he did) the combo and if it would frag fc then cap wouldnt happen.
You either count this as an acident and do nothing, meaning that you count the cap.
Or you just punish sD with a boosting fc.
The current action seams more of a biased decision trying not to hurt much both sides but tbh doing this hurts more the comunity then anything else since its showing that top level clans dont abide to the same rullings has the rest. Imho CB should keep it by the book, and if that sucks for sD or iNz well it aplies to all. |
[w]Patsui ([w] ) 12 Jan 2006 13:49 | |
[.Levi*257.] wrote:
blablabla.
CONCLUSION: DOT FUCKING! <img src='http://games.clanbase.com/smiley3.gif' border='0' width='16' height='16' align=absbottom> |
| [DC*3]~P1mP^~ ([DC*3]) 12 Jan 2006 13:24 | |
with all respect, dont be a wiseguy; i like this descision, cause its more exciting, and we have a extra match to watch!
[.Levi*257.] wrote:
Wrong interpretation of the rules, there is rule about "getting an advantage".
You got just two possibilities:
1. That was a boost - so sd gets a default loss, perhaps the player gets a bann.
2. No boost - nothing happens.
If you make decisions of "getting an advantage", then all clans, that had a player disconnecting during the game should get a replay of the match.
"- sub 8. Launching your teammate, yourself or the flag in any way is not allowed, with exception of methods mentioned below."
First of all there is no rule about "boost", it says launching and launching always is wanted.
"- sub 11 If a player gets caught braking one of the above rules, his clan recieves a penalty based on the situation."
This rules wasnt broken so, why to mention this rules now?!
"he did not time the boost by stopping in his flagrun and the unlikelyness to come up the idea to boost with a slow secondary shockball"
So there is no -launching-, if you really say this, you cannot make any decisions.
-> conclusion as i said before: bann sith and give inz a win or do nothing, there is no rule for that what you are doing right now.
-> just for the guys saying i might be on any side: i did NOT see the demo, the avi or sth like that, so i really do not how it was, i am just saying sth about the news post and the decision. |
muetze (sÐ ) 12 Jan 2006 13:08 | |
100% agree phil! |
| WonderBRA (Lords) 12 Jan 2006 13:00 | |
Tiensin wrote:
"Since the flagcarrier got shot from the direction he wanted to go, and he did not time the boost by stopping in his flagrun and the unlikelyness to come up the idea to boost with a slow secondary shockball we believe the boost is unintentional."
Welcome to clanbase.
sD didn't deserve this imo. It was somethin that happens verry often..u just can't take your own members into account while fightin in an area like the mid of arean.
Soz, but im also mainly the one who gives the covers, and should i be now afraid to actually shoot someone near our fc?
I tell you what would be interesting, playing ctf with friendly fire disabled! now that would seperate the men from the boys!!! <img src='http://games.clanbase.com/smiley5.gif' border='0' width='16' height='16' align=absbottom> |
[.Levi*257.] ([.Levi.] ) 12 Jan 2006 12:54 | |
Wrong interpretation of the rules, there is rule about "getting an advantage".
You got just two possibilities:
1. That was a boost - so sd gets a default loss, perhaps the player gets a bann.
2. No boost - nothing happens.
If you make decisions of "getting an advantage", then all clans, that had a player disconnecting during the game should get a replay of the match.
"- sub 8. Launching your teammate, yourself or the flag in any way is not allowed, with exception of methods mentioned below."
First of all there is no rule about "boost", it says launching and launching always is wanted.
"- sub 11 If a player gets caught braking one of the above rules, his clan recieves a penalty based on the situation."
This rules wasnt broken so, why to mention this rules now?!
"he did not time the boost by stopping in his flagrun and the unlikelyness to come up the idea to boost with a slow secondary shockball"
So there is no -launching-, if you really say this, you cannot make any decisions.
-> conclusion as i said before: bann sith and give inz a win or do nothing, there is no rule for that what you are doing right now.
-> just for the guys saying i might be on any side: i did NOT see the demo, the avi or sth like that, so i really do not how it was, i am just saying sth about the news post and the decision. |
| Jairzihn0 (MPD) 12 Jan 2006 12:42 | |
I can understand both sides point of view yadda yadda yadda....... as whoever wins this goes through to the playoffs.
Wouldnt it be fairer to go through as the better team or as the team that got a lucky unintentional boost to qualify. |
muetze (sÐ ) 12 Jan 2006 12:36 | |
~de.cR4zY-n^~ wrote:
PS: when muetze dropped from revenge their flag was already in our base in front of capping. And on second drop it wasn't even taken as far as I rememeber. So I don't quite get the thing about us not being able to cap single flag if he didn't drop. Oh well I guess it's ONE MORE "we're sD, resistance is futile, you will be assimilated" sentence.
NO IT WASNT , and btw turn off your fucking sd`resistance shit thx nap
and it´s still not a boost , just learn it. name it however you want BUt it´s not a boost.
and kepa what about : shut up? btw it´s still me > you |
[w]kepa ([w] ) 12 Jan 2006 12:34 | |
fair decision - bad luck sd. |
{DnF}Avlan ({DnF} ) 12 Jan 2006 12:33 | |
muetze wrote:
ridiculous..
btw i want replay of revenge coz i dropped from serv and inz capped! they got advantage out of it otherwise they never would have capped one single flag
That's a stupid comparison.
Thats your own fault/bad luck leading to an advantage for the opposing team, thats np. If the opposing team had boosted the (E)FC it would have been np either.
The point here is, that through a teammates boost the team possibly had a deciding advantage. Everyone knows one can very well make a boost look "unintentional", you can never prove it was or wasnt. Point here is, the advantage was decisive.
Same as in footie tbh: Offside is allowed, unless it gives the attacker decisive advantage (or the opponent severe disadvantage). |
~de.cR4zY-n^~ (~de.~ ) 12 Jan 2006 11:45 | |
sith wrote:
i also stop covering cause i wont boost fraggass in this situation, that this one shockball hit him is bad luck.
and that gold would hit him is just bullshit.. if i didnt stop covering gold could respawn as every other player from inz it does the whole evening ...
in the words of phero, " this is going too far " ...
I don't quite get thingy about respawning but I guess it's just one of yours and screams "we're sD, resistance is futile, you will be assimilated" sentences. Nothing has to be added or replyed there nerd. Why whining in first place, you'll play your favorite game for 5 mins and rape us so we all only respawn and you cap a flag and that's it.
PS: when muetze dropped from revenge their flag was already in our base in front of capping. And on second drop it wasn't even taken as far as I rememeber. So I don't quite get the thing about us not being able to cap single flag if he didn't drop. Oh well I guess it's ONE MORE "we're sD, resistance is futile, you will be assimilated" sentence. |
muetze (sÐ ) 12 Jan 2006 11:22 | |
ridiculous..
btw i want replay of revenge coz i dropped from serv and inz capped! they got advantage out of it otherwise they never would have capped one single flag |
sith (sÐ ) 12 Jan 2006 10:53 | |
i also stop covering cause i wont boost fraggass in this situation, that this one shockball hit him is bad luck.
and that gold would hit him is just bullshit.. if i didnt stop covering gold could respawn as every other player from inz it does the whole evening ...
in the words of phero, " this is going too far " ... |
Xen0 ([¹²¾] ) 12 Jan 2006 08:25 | |
For the record I thought unintentional, midfeild on areaN is madness all the time.
Case of bad luck highlighted by a high profile competition imo.
Take it on the chin, play the replay and move on. |
~de.cR4zY-n^~ (~de.~ ) 12 Jan 2006 08:20 | |
Blabla, it's ordinary boost case why whine on it?
My thanks to Lilly and others that made decission which looks pretty fair imo.
BTW:
Why people talk about fairness, but then talk lies about boost and that I should get ban etc and that I noosted itendionaly, just because they hate me, de, few of other de or just don't have better hobby in life, but listening to others and hating some1 without a real reason.
However, GG fx in advance 'cos I can smell heavy brat-game and kicking de's azZz. ^^
Wp orso. :P
This is my post in EC 9 when I did unintentional boost and eni did 1:1 cap followed by me who did 2:1 later. So game was reset to 1:0 (!) and we had like less than 10 minutes to cap. Without doing that we wouldn't go to playoffs either. If you can't get along with totally fair decision (you would get default loss if they considered it intentional) then there is smtn wrong with you. Shit happens get over it.
Wp Guff & hIphOp. |
| Tiensin (Tiensin) 12 Jan 2006 07:07 | |
"Since the flagcarrier got shot from the direction he wanted to go, and he did not time the boost by stopping in his flagrun and the unlikelyness to come up the idea to boost with a slow secondary shockball we believe the boost is unintentional."
Welcome to clanbase.
sD didn't deserve this imo. It was somethin that happens verry often..u just can't take your own members into account while fightin in an area like the mid of arean.
Soz, but im also mainly the one who gives the covers, and should i be now afraid to actually shoot someone near our fc? |
phero (LT ) 12 Jan 2006 02:40 | |
this is going too far, rofl xD |
sith (sÐ ) 12 Jan 2006 02:18 | |
last ec for me, nc.. |
{DnF}3d` aka 10fd4g1r|z ({DnF} ) 12 Jan 2006 01:30 | |
It's like Levi vs de or Levi vs P all over again. Replayed maps, even from overtime, own xD |
| ShAkuR (VnV!) 12 Jan 2006 01:26 | |
^^ |
pyroplexus ([H&P] ) 11 Jan 2006 23:52 | |
ooer, bit of drama |
griz (POR ) 11 Jan 2006 23:44 | |
well.. its fair.
gl both.. again. |
UrsTheBear (sÐ ) 11 Jan 2006 23:33 | |
interesting |