UT 1on1 BT WorldCup III


Map discussion...
by: N!Ce

Map discussionLet's head over to deciding on maps. Our established 'map disscussion thread' will help us to find the right ones.
This was not added earlier, to retain an 'equality of opportunity' for all participants, including those who signed up later.
We originally planned to add a list of suggestion maps however, I abandoned the intention in order to retain neutrality. Listing only a few maps would be unfair to unlisted maps, listing all candidates would be too much to be tested in time.

Players who attended previous seasons will know the procedure, for the others a short explanation:
This thread is for everyone to make his suggestions and to give constructive comments to suggestions made by others.
Add a link to a map you are suggesting, plus the division you would like to have it in (assuming there will be 3 divisions).
Stay constructive and calm! Else you risk your suggestions and comments to be ignored and not taken into consideration.


Have FUN! o/



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Comments:(118)


#118 Sc0rp!o (Sc0rp!o)  22 Jun 2008 22:58
PLEASE DON'T USE FACTORY THIS YEAR! Horror is good though.
Wow, I haven't captured a lot of these maps... oh dear.

InfuriateCB would be great though! Include it for sure. The original version isn't that hard, so this one would be fine.
#117 }ElitE{Splashy (}ElitE{ )  21 Jun 2008 20:08
For Div 2
Concrete Factory
Ovral
Knowledge
Hells Chamber
Oceanography
Primevil
Hiding Dungeon
Syphillis
Phazon
Haunting
Efreet
#116 Spy`z_ (Spy`z_)  21 Jun 2008 19:00
BT-Area51
BT-Adeon-FactoryCB
BT-HorrorCB
BT-SlaughterCB
BT-DecayedCollapseCB
BT-Rook
BT-MysteryFortress
BT-Torture][

This is my list, all others can gtfo
#115 N!Ce ([AcAi] )  21 Jun 2008 11:27
}ElitE{LAg wrote:
Even if someone flames about a map, it is mentioned. Does that count as a vote? lol :<

No, I already answered that question though =f


~ kp . Slaughter ~ wrote:
if you want help i can try helping

Thanks for the offer. d:] I'll shout, if I need testers d:E


Welcome back Sypher. \o
Where is Jin hiding? =x
#114 }ElitE{LAg (}ElitE{ )  21 Jun 2008 09:59
KnT^ wrote:
Well I disagree with Torment and Evilution,as they both were in the previous cup also and we have Factory and Horror as old maps,so dont include them,make space for the new maps.
Also circumscribe is not that fun of a div 1 map... the round room lags a lot ( the whole map does actually ) but its ok.
I also don't see how LethalSun is ping sensitive :x
Agree with the 'no' list,except Infuriate.
The rest looks good.


SolarMoon ice room is absolutely fine. :/
if u wana take it out, the reason should be that its too easy for div1 - especially if we are having 4 divisions now -_-

Idd lethalsun is fine for all pings :x not really any major rush obstacles/quick dodges needed imo.

Infuriate shouldnt be in this cup, InfuriateCB is a possibility.. but since it will be released in very short notice for this cup i think it could be a bit unfair. still havent made up my mind whether i agree with it.

Even if someone flames about a map, it is mentioned. Does that count as a vote? lol :<
#113 synteX (synteX)  21 Jun 2008 09:15

Syper said:
Shelter - Too many lame, max dodges
Infuriate – See Shelter, LethalSun

synteX said:
3) bt-infuriateCB (no more bounce, first two dodges are a bit easier too)


gg
#112 KnT^ (KnT^)  21 Jun 2008 07:13
Well I disagree with Torment and Evilution,as they both were in the previous cup also and we have Factory and Horror as old maps,so dont include them,make space for the new maps.
Also circumscribe is not that fun of a div 1 map... the round room lags a lot ( the whole map does actually ) but its ok.
I also don't see how LethalSun is ping sensitive :x
Agree with the 'no' list,except Infuriate.
The rest looks good.
#111 Sypher (Sypher)  21 Jun 2008 00:47
In already:
*Factory
*Horror
*Slaughter

Yes:

Shorter =
Insecure – Good contrast, shorter rush map
Phazon – See above
Torment – Nice obstacles, as seen from last cup
Evilution – CB version fixed some lag issues

Medium Length =
Primeval
DecayedCollapse
Rook
Circumscribe
Horror
Factory

Longer =
BuriedCityOfUr – Long and challenging, this is what a Div 1 should be
Area51 – Bit overplayed
AdeonFactory – Good flow and nice challenge
Slaughter

No:
SolarMoonCB2 - Gay ice room ruins map. This is the biggest “No” in the list
Shelter - Too many lame, max dodges
Ardron - Old schoool, but not nec with Fact and Horr already in
Chaotic - Too easy in parts for Div 1
Infuriate – See Shelter, LethalSun

Don't know:
Bioshock - Haven't seen whole map, crashed part way in
LethalSun - High ping = tough on this one
Flagrant - Haven't really played this one
Asylum][ - see Flagrant
#110 adl.JonaS ((ADL))  20 Jun 2008 23:12
no win98 plz
#109 deadLine'sdn (deadLine' )  20 Jun 2008 16:56
Edit:

Division 1:

BT-Area51
BT-Adeon-FactoryCB
BT-HorrorCB
BT-SlaughterCB
BT-DecayedCollapseCB
BT-Flagrant
BT-Rook
BT-MysteryFortress
BT-Torture][

Division 2:

BT-HellsChamber
BT-Knowledge
BT-ConcreteFactoryCB
BT-A1BreakoutCB
BT-ArticFantasy
BT-Efreet-v3
BT-DistanceCB2
BT-Orval-v2
BT-Syphilis
BT-OceanoGraphy
BT-CypressHill
BT-CN-EnemyMine (Without that dumb key)
BT-AstridCB

Division 3:

BT-MesablancaCB
BT-Shur_fix
BT-RushCB
BT-Posterity
BT-CapitulumCB
BT-Timeless-Lv2
BT-LunaTemple
BT-EvilTombCB
BT-Circle
BT-Win98

Division 4:

BT-LavaFactory_fix
BT-Maverick
BT-MiningFacility
BT-Illness
BT-Blahblahblah
BT-Cryptical
BT-MountainBase
BT-Win98
#108 N!Ce ([AcAi] )  20 Jun 2008 16:25
SAFeCRACKeR wrote:
Ah yes OK but you also said about someone cannot 'vote twice' so I thought that a vote system was in place, which would eliminate any maps with only 1 or 2 votes.


My vote system is called Opera scripts, which own for counting words on webpages, but that's only to check the amount of votes a map got, I note every mentioned map anyway. Also filtered out quotes in comments to suggestions etc. I don't like sloppy work :f
#107 SAFeCRACKeR (SAFeCRACKeR)  20 Jun 2008 16:00
N!Ce wrote:
SAFeCRACKeR wrote:
Any new maps that have been proposed haven't had much response (either good or bad) which makes it likely they won't be considered, which is a shame imo.


Negative :f

I said I'll use this thread as an important help, not I'll decide the maplist solely by using this thread. Didn't do that last season either :E

New maps will get, as usually, a 'new map' bonus :x


Ah yes OK but you also said about someone cannot 'vote twice' so I thought that a vote system was in place, which would eliminate any maps with only 1 or 2 votes.

Looking forward to the list!!!

~ kp . Slaughter ~ wrote:
Common all new maps isn't much fun to atleast put a few known maps in so people know what they see
and i see some maps enough that weren't in the OC BT cup to so ? thats fair enough split it up abit thats nice right?:P

Well in my original post where I suggested maps I actually said I'd prefer a mix of 50% old and 50% new maps, I don't want JUST new maps (by 'new' I should of said 'different' as some older decent maps are about) so I do agree with you on that. Yes some maps that are not used in OC have been suggested but as my response to N!Ce above says, I thought these wouldn't stand a chance of getting in if a vote system was being used to determine the map list
#106 synteX (synteX)  20 Jun 2008 14:50
omg horror AND facto, how gay, at least use one of both and get more new maps imo!!11!&!&1
#105 N!Ce ([AcAi] )  20 Jun 2008 14:42
SAFeCRACKeR wrote:
Any new maps that have been proposed haven't had much response (either good or bad) which makes it likely they won't be considered, which is a shame imo.


Negative :f

I said I'll use this thread as an important help, not I'll decide the maplist solely by using this thread. Didn't do that last season either :E

New maps will get, as usually, a 'new map' bonus :x
#104 ~ kp . Slaughter ~ (kp)  20 Jun 2008 14:30
SAFeCRACKeR wrote:
There aren't many differences in what maps ppl are proposing, with very similar lists or just a quote of someone elses list with a comment like 'I agree'. Not many have put much thought into this, most of the maps have been played in BT OC's in recent seasons. Any new maps that have been proposed haven't had much response (either good or bad) which makes it likely they won't be considered, which is a shame imo.

From what I remember of last BT WC quite a lot of 'new' maps (different from OC maps) had been used which was refreshing and people had to train more to master these somewhat unfamiliar maps. With more maps from OC's it gives some players a headstart being members of clans that would have trained them for these OC's.

C'mon lets get some fresh maps into the fray!!!


Common all new maps isn't much fun to atleast put a few known maps in so people know what they see
and i see some maps enough that weren't in the OC BT cup to so ? thats fair enough split it up abit thats nice right?:P
#103 Bloeb (Bloeb)  20 Jun 2008 14:29
If there's gonna be a div3 with Mesablanca, you might also consider Efreet for div3.
#102 SAFeCRACKeR (SAFeCRACKeR)  20 Jun 2008 14:24
There aren't many differences in what maps ppl are proposing, with very similar lists or just a quote of someone elses list with a comment like 'I agree'. Not many have put much thought into this, most of the maps have been played in BT OC's in recent seasons. Any new maps that have been proposed haven't had much response (either good or bad) which makes it likely they won't be considered, which is a shame imo.

From what I remember of last BT WC quite a lot of 'new' maps (different from OC maps) had been used which was refreshing and people had to train more to master these somewhat unfamiliar maps. With more maps from OC's it gives some players a headstart being members of clans that would have trained them for these OC's.

C'mon lets get some fresh maps into the fray!!!
#101 }ElitE{LAg (}ElitE{ )  20 Jun 2008 13:04
N!Ce wrote:
}ElitE{LAg wrote:
-=(FBT)=-Dylan wrote:
div 1

BT-asylum][CB
BT-FactoryCB
BT-SlaughterCB
BT-decayedcollapseCB
BT-adeonfactoryCB
BT-HorrorCB (or vf)
BT-area-51-CB
BT-Circumscribe
BT-theEscapeCB
BT-mysteryfortressCB
BT-hauntingCB

never TheEscape rofl that map is the definition of crap :<

Div1:

BT-DecayedCollapseCB
BT-AdeonFactoryCB
BT-HauntingCB
BT-MysteryFortressCB
BT-CircumscribeCB3
BT-Asylum][CB
BT-SolarMoonCB2
BT-OminousCB
BT-CXIsland-v2
BT-Primeval-v3

also MAYBE
BT-InfuriateCB (if poss - prolly too late now)
BT-SlaughterCB (i guess :<)




You can vote only once d:f


lol im not voting im just saying what i think - which has changed since last time. i think deciding this by voting is bs :s
#100 ~ kp . Slaughter ~ (kp)  20 Jun 2008 13:01
KnT^ wrote:
Mesablanca is capable by many players and should be div 3 imo.
But oceanography and luxor? Don't think so.For div 2 yes.

Div 3 maps should be like:
Mesablanca
Rush
Eviltomb
Spacebunnies
A1LostFactory
Lunatemple
Posterity
Timeless
Circle
A1Mission-GoldenStatue

And div 4 should be low skill maps like:
Maverick
Blahblahblah
Lavafactory
Capitulum
Shur_fix
MiningFacility
DragRace
Cryptical
Illness
MountainBase


i agree with you on Luxor some points needs a div.1 skills job to get threw

and well about Capitulum and DragRace i think you can better put those 2 in div.3 and put Timeless & Eviltomb in div.4
#99 KnT^ (KnT^)  20 Jun 2008 12:56
Mesablanca is capable by many players and should be div 3 imo.
But oceanography and luxor? Don't think so.For div 2 yes.

Div 3 maps should be like:
Mesablanca
Rush
Eviltomb
Spacebunnies
A1LostFactory
Lunatemple
Posterity
Timeless
Circle
A1Mission-GoldenStatue

And div 4 should be low skill maps like:
Maverick
Blahblahblah
Lavafactory
Capitulum
Shur_fix
MiningFacility
DragRace
Cryptical
Illness
MountainBase
#98 ~ kp . Slaughter ~ (kp)  20 Jun 2008 12:29
isn't Luxor a bit to good map for in div.3 ?
#97 bLasT (bLasT)  20 Jun 2008 11:59
Division 1:
BT-Adeon-FactoryCB
BT-Torment
BT-SlaughterCB
BT-InfuriateCB
BT-DecayedCollapseCB
BT-SolarmoonCB2
BT-ArdonCB
BT-Lethal sun
BT-Rook with no luck dodge after the 2-shot thing
BT-Primeval would be nice too

Division 2:
BT-ConcreteFactoryCB
BT-MetalComplexCB
BT-A1BreakoutCB
BT-Efreet-v3
BT-DistanceCB2
BT-Orval-v2
BT-Syphilis
BT-AstridCB


Division 3:
BT-Luxor
BT-OceanoGraphyCB
BT-Shur_fix
BT-RushCB
BT-Posterity][
BT-CapitulumCB
BT-MiningFacilityCB
BT-Timeless-Lv2

Division 4:
BT-LavaFactory_fix
BT-DragRaceCB
BT-Win98 without the luck dodge
BT-MountainBase
BT-Library
BT-LunaTemple
BT-EvilTombCB
BT-IllnessCB
#96 ~ kp . Slaughter ~ (kp)  20 Jun 2008 11:57
N!Ce

if you want help i can try helping

btw MetalComplexCB is very nice map
#95 N!Ce ([AcAi] )  20 Jun 2008 11:42
Please be a bit patient, it's not easy getting the maplist done. I need to consider every single post made here then I have to validate and check with a few recommendation lists I got from experienced BT'ers. Besides that I also have to test the maps that are new to me o:

For those who can't wait and want to start practising now, here are a few maps that are already in:

--- Division 1 ---
FactoryCB
SlaughterCB
HorrorCB (or vF, not sure yet)

--- Division 2 ---
OceanoGraphyCB
MetalComplexCB (pm spam KnT for CB version >:E )

--- Division 3 ---
Rush
Mesablanca

--- Division 4 ---
blahblahblah
LavaFactory_fixed


Sorry for those who wanted Horror/Factory out, but they again had the most votes, thus not possible to ignore them =|

Btw, you can still post your lists (if you haven't yet!), while I am finishing it. I'll update it then :f

Have Fun o:
#94 Bonket (Bonket)  20 Jun 2008 11:24
}ElitE{LAg wrote:
Div1:

BT-DecayedCollapseCB
BT-AdeonFactoryCB
BT-HauntingCB
BT-MysteryFortressCB
BT-CircumscribeCB3
BT-Asylum][CB
BT-SolarMoonCB2
BT-OminousCB
BT-CXIsland-v2
BT-Primeval-v3

also MAYBE
BT-InfuriateCB (if poss - prolly too late now)
BT-SlaughterCB (i guess :<)

you all know im right


Yeh nice maps. I'm votin for them too,except for BT-AdeonFactory. k,so:

div1:
BT-DecayedCollapseCB
BT-SlaughterCB
BT-HauntingCB
BT-MysteryFortressCB
BT-CircumscribeCB3
BT-Asylum][CB
BT-SolarMoonCB2
BT-OminousCB
BT-CXIsland-v2
BT-Primeval-v3

div2:
ArticFantasy][
(K)Hiding-Dungeon
Syphilis
PhazonCB
KnighTmare][-vF
(syn)Orval-v2
Hells-Chamber
(Dub)CurseofHoogvlietCB2
(B)DistanceCB2
A1BreakoutCB
(K)Efreet-v2
(K)Oceanography-v3
ConcreteFactoryCB
MetalComplexCB
#93 OKOCIM_MOCNE (OKOCIM_MOCNE)  20 Jun 2008 10:59
OKOCIM_MOCNE wrote:
maps for Division 3:

(10 easier maps)
BT-IlnessCB
BT-MaverickCB
BT-Library_fix
BT-MountainBaseCB
BT-BunnyCurse_i4g
BT-[UU]-TotalNoobish
BT-SpaceBunniesCB
BT-EvilTomb
BT-LavaFactory
BT-AlienTraining

(10 a bit more difficult maps)
BT-A1-MissionGoldenstatue
BT-Peaceful_fix
BT-VirusCB
BT-BlitzAce
BT-BlitzCastle
BT-BunnyPhobos
BT-Mesablanca
BT-LunaTemple
BT-Rush
BT-Distance

I also thought about two long, easy maps I like very much, but I bet that most of players would like to kick my butt and ideas out of the cup
BT-EasyBunny
BT-OcarinaOfTime_EZ



When I was writing the maplist I wasn't sure about Div 4 creation,
so for clearance:
Easier maps ---> Div 4
More difficult maps ---> Div 3
#92 N!Ce ([AcAi] )  20 Jun 2008 10:30
D4v^` wrote:
div.2
BT-OceanoGraphyCB
BT-Orval-v2
BT-PhazonCB
BT-FactoryCB
BT-Mesablanca
BT-Storm-baseLV
BT-ArticFantesy][
BT-HidingDungeon
BT-ConcreteFactoryCB (or BT-ConcreteCB)
BT-HauntingCB



You already voted, too. o:

If you have maps to add, type only the additional maps and note that they complete your existing list. =x
#91 D4v^` (D4v^`)  20 Jun 2008 10:05
div.2
BT-OceanoGraphyCB
BT-Orval-v2
BT-PhazonCB
BT-FactoryCB
BT-Mesablanca
BT-Storm-baseLV
BT-ArticFantesy][
BT-HidingDungeon
BT-ConcreteFactoryCB (or BT-ConcreteCB)
BT-HauntingCB
#90 ZiaP (ZiaP)  20 Jun 2008 09:54
div1
BT-LethalSun-v2
BT-AdeonFactoryCB
BT-Horror-vf
BT-DecayedCollapseCB
BT-Asylum][CB
BT-Mystery-FortressCB
BT-CircumscribeCB
BT-Area-51-CB
BT-BuriedCityOfUrCB


Have a nice day ;-)
#89 N!Ce ([AcAi] )  20 Jun 2008 09:40
}ElitE{LAg wrote:
-=(FBT)=-Dylan wrote:
div 1

BT-asylum][CB
BT-FactoryCB
BT-SlaughterCB
BT-decayedcollapseCB
BT-adeonfactoryCB
BT-HorrorCB (or vf)
BT-area-51-CB
BT-Circumscribe
BT-theEscapeCB
BT-mysteryfortressCB
BT-hauntingCB

never TheEscape rofl that map is the definition of crap :<

Div1:

BT-DecayedCollapseCB
BT-AdeonFactoryCB
BT-HauntingCB
BT-MysteryFortressCB
BT-CircumscribeCB3
BT-Asylum][CB
BT-SolarMoonCB2
BT-OminousCB
BT-CXIsland-v2
BT-Primeval-v3

also MAYBE
BT-InfuriateCB (if poss - prolly too late now)
BT-SlaughterCB (i guess :<)




You can vote only once d:f
#88 N!Ce ([AcAi] )  19 Jun 2008 22:24
Started counting, you can still post though. I'll take this post as a line break.
Thanks to Opera ownage it shouldn't take too long d:E
#87 TsHell (-=(FBT)=-)  19 Jun 2008 16:21
Imo EazyBunny in all div, So es map
#86 }ElitE{LAg (}ElitE{ )  19 Jun 2008 15:02
-=(FBT)=-Dylan wrote:
div 1

BT-asylum][CB
BT-FactoryCB
BT-SlaughterCB
BT-decayedcollapseCB
BT-adeonfactoryCB
BT-HorrorCB (or vf)
BT-area-51-CB
BT-Circumscribe
BT-theEscapeCB
BT-mysteryfortressCB
BT-hauntingCB


never TheEscape rofl that map is the definition of crap :<

Div1:

BT-DecayedCollapseCB
BT-AdeonFactoryCB
BT-HauntingCB
BT-MysteryFortressCB
BT-CircumscribeCB3
BT-Asylum][CB
BT-SolarMoonCB2
BT-OminousCB
BT-CXIsland-v2
BT-Primeval-v3

also MAYBE
BT-InfuriateCB (if poss - prolly too late now)
BT-SlaughterCB (i guess :<)

you all know im right
#85 oKrioo (evonise.nl )  19 Jun 2008 14:44
BT-Rush for div 3 only.
#84 -=(FBT)=-Dylan (-=(FBT)=-)  19 Jun 2008 09:24
div 1

BT-asylum][CB
BT-FactoryCB
BT-SlaughterCB
BT-decayedcollapseCB
BT-adeonfactoryCB
BT-HorrorCB (or vf)
BT-area-51-CB
BT-Circumscribe
BT-theEscapeCB
BT-mysteryfortressCB
BT-hauntingCB
#83 |(3b0yZz2 (|(3b0yZz2)  19 Jun 2008 08:27
cirek wrote:
oldskools ftw :E
Factory
Ominous
Torment
Horror
Slaughter
Insecure
Evilution
Primeval
Area51-CB


Yup, nice list
#82 cirek (cirek)  19 Jun 2008 07:08
oldskools ftw :E
Factory
Ominous
Torment
Horror
Slaughter
Insecure
Evilution
Primeval
Area51-CB
#81 N!Ce ClanBase Crew member (ClanBase Crew)  19 Jun 2008 06:50
Ok, last call!
Everyone (who hasn't yet) get posting before it's too late.
I will start counting tonight. Not really satisfied with the amount of feedback, but I can't keep it running forever. =f
#80 Nin] ((-:SMo:-) )  18 Jun 2008 22:58
i am just noob but... i always run on the philosiphy that the dodges in peaceful are nothing but LUCK OMG . that map is just battybattybatty =x
#79 }ElitE{LAg (}ElitE{ )  18 Jun 2008 21:08
[o]synteX[/e] wrote:
like u could cap peacefull in the first 5min playing that map for the first time.
It's pretty hard to cap if you are not used to side dodges against walls... It's hard to get up on the boat if you are not used too it...


peaceful could never be div3 idd.
i just think it could be div2 possibly
#78 [o]synteX[/e] ([o][/e] )  18 Jun 2008 19:17
like u could cap peacefull in the first 5min playing that map for the first time.
It's pretty hard to cap if you are not used to side dodges against walls... It's hard to get up on the boat if you are not used too it...
#77 X-Raided (|TXW|)  18 Jun 2008 16:47
}ElitE{LAg wrote:
adix wrote:
deadLine'sdn wrote:
adix wrote:
4divs with 120players????

Why not? :O
In last cup there where 148 players and 3 divisions - it was perfect, first the groupstage and later the long playoffs. So now even with 128 ppl its 32ppl per division(including possible forfeits ) = a bit poor. Beside that Nice should take the maplist suggestion votes from ppl playing in their division, i.e. from maplist i wrote he should take only the division 1 maplist and skip the rest.same goes for div3 players that wont play in div1 but propose the maps for div1 and so on. So in the end the div1 maplist is choosen only by div1 players, div2 by div2 players etc.

and if Flagrant will be in cup(i hope not) :

The Mapper who did Flagrant should "repair" the bug at the point where u fall down and the smoke takes some amout of your health, bcos sometimes it kills you even if you do all right and have almost full hp (94hp)

i kinda disagree. i think div1 players commenting on div3 maps is just as valid as div3 commenting on div3... the more input we have from everyone the better

And i agree that we are not ready for Flagrant yet - too many players seem to have problems with it - mayb next OC everyone will be used to it


I agree with adix, Div1 and 2 players dont know the skill level of the div3 players, they could be suggesting too hard maps for them. I think the div3 players would probly know whats best for thierselfs just as div1 and 2 players know what maps would be good for there skill level. About the 4 divisions, im wondering what maps would be div4? considering div3 already has maps like lavafactory, maverick and blahblahblah, Does it really get any easier than that? If your really new to bt and cant cap those maps maybe u should just practice more b4 u join a official cup. And why do ppl say peaceful is hard when u cant die on it? The only thing is the 1st and last dodge are luck based.
#76 ~ kp . Slaughter ~ (kp)  18 Jun 2008 13:56
adix wrote:
deadLine'sdn wrote:
adix wrote:
4divs with 120players????

Why not? :O
In last cup there where 148 players and 3 divisions - it was perfect, first the groupstage and later the long playoffs. So now even with 128 ppl its 32ppl per division(including possible forfeits ) = a bit poor. Beside that Nice should take the maplist suggestion votes from ppl playing in their division, i.e. from maplist i wrote he should take only the division 1 maplist and skip the rest.same goes for div3 players that wont play in div1 but propose the maps for div1 and so on. So in the end the div1 maplist is choosen only by div1 players, div2 by div2 players etc.

and if Flagrant will be in cup(i hope not) :

The Mapper who did Flagrant should "repair" the bug at the point where u fall down and the smoke takes some amout of your health, bcos sometimes it kills you even if you do all right and have almost full hp (94hp)


What you forget is that there are BIGGINNING BT players in this cup probably alots of them

would be more fair if you have more division then so they have a CHANCE to win!
#75 }ElitE{LAg (}ElitE{ )  18 Jun 2008 13:30
adix wrote:
deadLine'sdn wrote:
adix wrote:
4divs with 120players????

Why not? :O
In last cup there where 148 players and 3 divisions - it was perfect, first the groupstage and later the long playoffs. So now even with 128 ppl its 32ppl per division(including possible forfeits ) = a bit poor. Beside that Nice should take the maplist suggestion votes from ppl playing in their division, i.e. from maplist i wrote he should take only the division 1 maplist and skip the rest.same goes for div3 players that wont play in div1 but propose the maps for div1 and so on. So in the end the div1 maplist is choosen only by div1 players, div2 by div2 players etc.

and if Flagrant will be in cup(i hope not) :

The Mapper who did Flagrant should "repair" the bug at the point where u fall down and the smoke takes some amout of your health, bcos sometimes it kills you even if you do all right and have almost full hp (94hp)


i kinda disagree. i think div1 players commenting on div3 maps is just as valid as div3 commenting on div3... the more input we have from everyone the better

And i agree that we are not ready for Flagrant yet - too many players seem to have problems with it - mayb next OC everyone will be used to it
#74 adix (db )  18 Jun 2008 12:52
deadLine'sdn wrote:
adix wrote:
4divs with 120players????

Why not? :O

In last cup there where 148 players and 3 divisions - it was perfect, first the groupstage and later the long playoffs. So now even with 128 ppl its 32ppl per division(including possible forfeits ) = a bit poor. Beside that Nice should take the maplist suggestion votes from ppl playing in their division, i.e. from maplist i wrote he should take only the division 1 maplist and skip the rest.same goes for div3 players that wont play in div1 but propose the maps for div1 and so on. So in the end the div1 maplist is choosen only by div1 players, div2 by div2 players etc.

and if Flagrant will be in cup(i hope not) :

The Mapper who did Flagrant should "repair" the bug at the point where u fall down and the smoke takes some amout of your health, bcos sometimes it kills you even if you do all right and have almost full hp (94hp)
#73 ~ kp . Slaughter ~ (kp)  18 Jun 2008 12:34
adix wrote:
deadLine'sdn wrote:
Yeah, I think that 4 divisions would be the best option!

Division 1: High-skill

Division 2: Medium/High-skill

Division 3: Low/Medium-skill

Division 4: Low-skill


4divs with 120players????


em yes? why not?

4 poules each division! = 30 players per division is enough ?:S
#72 deadLine'sdn (deadLine' )  18 Jun 2008 11:46
adix wrote:
4divs with 120players????


Why not? :O
#71 }ElitE{Cobra (}ElitE{ )  18 Jun 2008 10:56
}ElitE{LAg wrote:
Bloeb wrote:
I just played BT-i4games_v2 and thought it might also be a nice map for division 3.

I've also tried Peacefull, but the map is definitely too difficult for div3. Some players might disagree, but I think it's not a map you can easily learn during the cup.

i4games has a tough fall on it, im not sure its easy enough for div3.

and i agree with scarab, and button map is a good choice also but mayb too easy for div1


i4games_v2 is nice for Div 3 yeah, Freefall is not hard if u train it 5 min.
#70 adix (db )  18 Jun 2008 10:50
deadLine'sdn wrote:
Yeah, I think that 4 divisions would be the best option!

Division 1: High-skill

Division 2: Medium/High-skill

Division 3: Low/Medium-skill

Division 4: Low-skill



4divs with 120players????
#69 deadLine'sdn (deadLine' )  18 Jun 2008 10:46
Yeah, I think that 4 divisions would be the best option!

Division 1: High-skill

Division 2: Medium/High-skill

Division 3: Low/Medium-skill

Division 4: Low-skill
#68 ~ kp . Slaughter ~ (kp)  18 Jun 2008 10:28
I must agree on Chupacabra for most

div1:
BT-BuriedCityOfUrCB
BT-SlaughterCB
BT-AdeonFactoryCB
BT-Asylum][CB
BT-DecayedCollapseCB
BT-SolarmoonCB2
BT-HorrorCB
BT-FactoryCB
BT-Torment-v3 (or BT-Primeval)
BT-ArdonCB (or BT-LethalSun-v2)

div2:
BT-OceanoGraphyCB
BT-Orval-v2
BT-PhazonCB
BT-CurseOfHoogVlietCB
BT-Mesablanca
BT-Storm-baseLV
BT-VirusCB (or BT-HauntingCB)
BT-WisdomCB (or BT-HidingDungeon)
BT-ConcreteFactoryCB (or BT-ConcreteCB)
BT-Hells-Chamber

div3:
BT-MountainBaseCB
BT-MaverickCB
BT-IllnessCB
BT-SpaceBunniesCB
BT-MiningFacilityCB
BT-EvilTombCB
BT-LunaTemple
BT-A1Lostfactory
BT-Rush
BT-CapitulumCB

BT-Lavafactory_(fixed)
^there are lots of beginning BT players i n the cup so

and maybe there is a solution like making 4 divisions?
#67 Lamù (db )  18 Jun 2008 08:53
Kiji` wrote:
Abomination for div 1 own, i remember a 1v1 cup with it, it was great.


Abomination ftw *\o/*
what about BT-Bellelulu? ;D
#66 }ElitE{LAg (}ElitE{ )  18 Jun 2008 08:52
Bloeb wrote:
I just played BT-i4games_v2 and thought it might also be a nice map for division 3.

I've also tried Peacefull, but the map is definitely too difficult for div3. Some players might disagree, but I think it's not a map you can easily learn during the cup.


i4games has a tough fall on it, im not sure its easy enough for div3.

and i agree with scarab, and button map is a good choice also but mayb too easy for div1
#65 Nin] ((-:SMo:-) )  18 Jun 2008 00:25
button map would be GREAT for 1v1. Division 1 imo!
#64 Ani* (Ani*)  17 Jun 2008 21:04
Ah Scarab would be very nice idd. It's a nice map and the difficulty is even all the way through imo. Defo in
#63 Bloeb (Bloeb)  17 Jun 2008 20:19
I just played BT-i4games_v2 and thought it might also be a nice map for division 3.

I've also tried Peacefull, but the map is definitely too difficult for div3. Some players might disagree, but I think it's not a map you can easily learn during the cup.
#62 }ElitE{LAg (}ElitE{ )  17 Jun 2008 14:13
KnT^ wrote:
Don't get me wrong it's nice to suggest but I just said what I think about those maps :|
And the lists we made also contain many new maps compared to the last worldcup.

BTW I forgot to suggest BT-Scarab to be tested,it's a nice map for 1v1 fights imo if the start dodge is removed.


yea screw that dodge :<
and if you're refering to my comment chupa, im well aware of Evilution, EvilutionCB and EvilutionII all being different maps
#61 KnT^ (KnT^)  17 Jun 2008 13:43
Don't get me wrong it's nice to suggest but I just said what I think about those maps :|
And the lists we made also contain many new maps compared to the last worldcup.

BTW I forgot to suggest BT-Scarab to be tested,it's a nice map for 1v1 fights imo if the start dodge is removed.
#60 Chupacabra (Chupa)  17 Jun 2008 12:38
KnT^ wrote:
I disagree with every map Chupa posted,except dragrace and cxisland.


I only posted those maps because everyone wanted new maps and I thought these ones might be decent...
Anyways there seems to be a small misunderstanding about EvilutionII, EvilutionII is NOT the same map as EvilutionCB it's a completely different map, much better imo, but it would still need a small fix at the end.
#59 KnT^ (KnT^)  17 Jun 2008 12:18
}ElitE{LAg wrote:
[SiN]kmaN wrote:
evilution is the buggiest map in existence

idd, if we add evilutionII it shud be fixed. some kickers are a bit weird :S
i guess we cant ask for a CB2 of Evilution but i still think its kinda buggy - i would recommend we dont have it in the cup.

i also find angelofdeath a bit shitty :|
that bouncer room (towards end) needs a bigger radius cos alot of the time that bounce fails and u just go up :P :<

I agree,do NOT include EvilutionII in plz,there are so many better and more fun maps to be changed instead of this ( bt-jmx-bioshock,infuriate etc ).And I don't see any fun playing that map in matches,has many strange obstacles and for the third time,its not fun at all to play/practice.

AngelOfDeath is buggy also,landofalom is lame ( bad design,only some obstacles are good.Once again there are so many better maps to be changed instead )
I disagree with every map Chupa posted,except dragrace and cxisland.
In my opinion this cup should have higher standarts for maps to be put into the maplist then those few listed by Chupa.
#58 }ElitE{LAg (}ElitE{ )  17 Jun 2008 10:23
omg lol
#57 }ElitE{LAg (}ElitE{ )  17 Jun 2008 10:23
[quote]}ElitE{LAg wrote:
[SiN]kmaN wrote:
evilution is the buggiest map in existence [/quote

idd, if we add evilutionII it shud be fixed. some kickers are a bit weird :S
i guess we cant ask for a CB2 of Evilution but i still think its kinda buggy - i would recommend we dont have it in the cup.

i also find angelofdeath a bit shitty :|
that bouncer room (towards end) needs a bigger radius cos alot of the time that bounce fails and u just go up :P :<
#56 }ElitE{LAg (}ElitE{ )  17 Jun 2008 10:22
[SiN]kmaN wrote:
evilution is the buggiest map in existence


idd, if we add evilutionII it shud be fixed. some kickers are a bit weird :S
i guess we cant ask for a CB2 of Evilution but i still think its kinda buggy - i would recommend we dont have it in the cup.

i also find angelofdeath a bit shitty :|
that bouncer room (towards end) needs a bigger radius cos alot of the time that bounce fails and u just go up :P :<
#55 Chupacabra (Chupa)  17 Jun 2008 09:27
deadLine'sdn wrote:

If you could get me some links of that new maps I would be grateful! ;P


At bunnytracks.com u can dl:
BT-(J)EvilutionII
BT-(J)AngelOfDeath
BT-(SM)LandOfAlom-vF
BT-(SM-S)Dark-Side

And at i4games.eu u can dl:
BT-JmX-CastleVania
BT-(NB)CXIsland

I dont think u can dl BT-DragRaceCB anywhere but I can put it on my ftp if u want.
#54 adix (db )  17 Jun 2008 09:18
N!Ce wrote:

I guess some players aren't familiar with 1on1 match pressure yet. =X
They might soon realize that playing a 1on1 is a different story than running for recs d=D

Anyway, I wish you guys good luck and all the best. Keep on posting your lists q:]



IDD!

ahh i forgot DragRaceCB - best div3 map map.
I want it also in div1
#53 deadLine'sdn (deadLine' )  17 Jun 2008 09:15
Chupacabra wrote:
I got some more maps to add to my list:
Div1:
BT-EvilutionII
BT-JmX-CastleVania
BT-(NB)CXIsland

Div2:
BT-(J)AngelOfDeath
BT-(SM)LandOfAlom-vF
BT-(SM-S)Dark-Side

Div3:
BT-DragRaceCB


If you could get me some links of that new maps I would be grateful! ;P
#52 Chupacabra (Chupa)  17 Jun 2008 08:17
[SiN]kmaN wrote:
evilution is the buggiest map in existence


EvilutionII is not that bad, tho I might need a small fix at the end
#51 [SiN]kmaN ([SiN] )  17 Jun 2008 07:34
evilution is the buggiest map in existence
#50 N!Ce ([AcAi] )  17 Jun 2008 06:24
|bc|Anarchist wrote:

And Anarchist, isnt Insecure a bit too easy for div1?
also Capitulum too easy for div2?

well, some parts..like the dodge shoot in capitulum, and the fast part in insecure, may be harder than you realize. just because its real easy for you, i still think those are the right categories. i dont know, just an opinion.


I guess some players aren't familiar with 1on1 match pressure yet. =X
They might soon realize that playing a 1on1 is a different story than running for recs d=D

Anyway, I wish you guys good luck and all the best. Keep on posting your lists q:]
#49 |bc|Anarchist (|bc|Anarchist)  17 Jun 2008 06:01

And Anarchist, isnt Insecure a bit too easy for div1?
also Capitulum too easy for div2?


well, some parts..like the dodge shoot in capitulum, and the fast part in insecure, may be harder than you realize. just because its real easy for you, i still think those are the right categories. i dont know, just an opinion.
#48 Chupacabra (Chupa)  17 Jun 2008 05:24
I got some more maps to add to my list:
Div1:
BT-EvilutionII
BT-JmX-CastleVania
BT-(NB)CXIsland

Div2:
BT-(J)AngelOfDeath
BT-(SM)LandOfAlom-vF
BT-(SM-S)Dark-Side

Div3:
BT-DragRaceCB
#47 }ElitE{LAg (}ElitE{ )  17 Jun 2008 04:31
SAFeCRACKeR wrote:
I'll add Killerbunny and CursedSanctuary to my list


killerbunny for sure.. cursed sanctuary tho? :S

Also i like this idea of adding CypressHill its actually a pretty nice and straight forward 1v1 map for div2

And Anarchist, isnt Insecure a bit too easy for div1?
also Capitulum too easy for div2?
#46 }ElitE{LAg (}ElitE{ )  17 Jun 2008 04:29
Kiji` wrote:
Abomination for div 1 own, i remember a 1v1 cup with it, it was great.

(CN)Neverstopmoving for div 2 orso, too funny and nice map for 1v1

Knowledge has nothing to do in div1 anymore, too easy map lol

For the rest, do as u want but just put some new or uncommon one (bored of always same)


i agree maps such as abom and uncommon are great... but i just think that maps like that sometimes you really cba to play - especially for 3 caps or so... i dont think long maps should be in this cup for that reason.
Idd knowledge is low div2 standard :|
Neverstop lol... your asking for trouble there
#45 |bc|Anarchist (|bc|Anarchist)  17 Jun 2008 00:02
Div1:

Factory
Ominous
Torment
Horror (i suppose >:[[[)
Slaughter
Insecure
Evilution
Primeval

Div2:
Oceanography
Hellschamber
Mesablanca
Capitulum
Phazon
Efreet
A1Breakout
Cypresshill

Div3:
Eviltomb
Maverick
Lavafactory
mountainbase
win98cb
#44 }ElitE{Cobra (}ElitE{ )  16 Jun 2008 21:32
Division 1:

(K)Torment-v3
Adeon-Factory

--------------------------

Division 2:

ArticFantasy][
KnighTmare][-vF
(B)Mesablanca
(B)DistanceCB2
(K)Oceanography-v3
ConcreteFactoryCB
MetalComplexCB

--------------------------

Division 3:

(B)Timeless-Lv2
A1LostFactory
LunaTemple
EvilTombCB
iLLNeSsCB
CapitulumCB
MiningFacilityCB
MountainBaseCB
MaverickCB
Win98CB
RushCB
LavaFactory_fixed
ReadyForBunnyTrack_v3
#43 deadLine'sdn (deadLine' )  16 Jun 2008 18:33
Hi all,

Division 1:

BT-Area51
BT-Adeon-FactoryCB
BT-HorrorCB
BT-SlaughterCB
BT-DecayedCollapseCB
BT-Flagrant
BT-Rook
BT-MysteryFortress
BT-Torture

Division 2:

BT-HellsChamber
BT-Knowledge
BT-ConcreteFactoryCB
BT-A1BreakoutCB
BT-ArticFantasy
BT-MesablancaCB
BT-Efreet-v3
BT-DistanceCB2
BT-Orval-v2
BT-Syphilis
BT-OceanoGraphyCB
BT-CypressHill
BT-CN-EnemyMine (Without that dumb key) <a href="cvs.php?url=<a href="cvs.php?url=http://www.i4games.eu/maps/CTF-BT%2B%28CN%29EnemyMine-v2" class="ulink" target="bla"><a href="cvs.php?url=http://www.i4games.eu/maps/CTF-BT%2B%28CN%29EnemyMine-v2</a>" class="ulink" target="bla">http://www.i4games.eu/maps/CTF-BT%2B%28CN%29EnemyMine-v2</a>[/url]
BT-Astrid

Division 3:

BT-Shur_fix
BT-RushCB
BT-Posterity
BT-CapitulumCB
BT-MiningFacilityCB
BT-Timeless-Lv2
BT-LunaTemple
BT-EvilTombCB
BT-Circle
BT-blahblahblah
#42 -dsm.Smash- (-dsm.clan-)  16 Jun 2008 18:28
Div1:

BT-Area-51-CB
BT-BuriedCityOfUrCB
BT-SlaughterCB
BT-AdeonFactoryCB
BT-Asylum][CB
BT-DecayedCollapseCB
BT-SolarmoonCB2
BT-HorrorCB
BT-FactoryCB

Div2:

BT-ArticFantasy
BT-MetalComplexCB
BT-A1BreakoutCB
BT-MesablancaCB
BT-Efreet-v3
BT-DistanceCB2
BT-Orval-v2
BT-Syphilis
BT-Hiding-Dungeon
BT-CypressHill
BT-AstridCB
BT-Hells-Chamber
BT-KnowledgeCB3
#41 X-Raided (|TXW|)  16 Jun 2008 18:19
i guess orvals not hard hard but it has too much dumb obstacles on it. Although it is the only "div2" map i cant cap, lol.
#40 SAFeCRACKeR (SAFeCRACKeR)  16 Jun 2008 17:22
SAFeCRACKeR wrote:
As I expect to be put in Div2 here are my preliminary suggestions for maps:

(Dub)CurseofHoogvlietCB2
(K)Efreet-v2
(K)Hiding-Dungeon
(K)Oceanography (either v3 or CB)
Argos (see notes below)
Asylum (see notes below)
ConcreteCB or ConcreteFactoryCB
Decadence-vF
KnighTmare][-vF
LostTemple (see notes below)
MarsAttack
Syphilis

Argos would be a good map IF a CB version was made with reduced damage in slime areas.
Asylum (Original version) - people may say its too hard, but I wouldn't say it's much harder than Orval for eg.
LostTemple (a well made map with nice obsticles, a worthy addition to any BT Cup)

Please no Mesablanca or put in Div 3, its been played to death zZzZzZz...

Most of the maps people have suggested are all maps that have been played in previous Cups, IMO we should have a 50-50 mix of old and new maps if possible. I'll try and give it some more thought later when I get home from work, I'm sure there are more decent maps that could be given their chance in a cup.

I'll add Killerbunny and CursedSanctuary to my list
#39 Kiji` (Kiji`)  16 Jun 2008 17:07
Abomination for div 1 own, i remember a 1v1 cup with it, it was great.

(CN)Neverstopmoving for div 2 orso, too funny and nice map for 1v1

Knowledge has nothing to do in div1 anymore, too easy map lol

For the rest, do as u want but just put some new or uncommon one (bored of always same)
#38 -dvN.trickY^- (Soc»i«UT)  16 Jun 2008 13:35
}ElitE{LAg wrote:
Division 2:

ArticFantasy][
ConcreteCB
(K)Hiding-Dungeon
Syphilis
PhazonCB
KnighTmare][-vF
Posterity][
(syn)Orval-v2
Hells-Chamber
HauntingCB
(Dub)CurseofHoogvlietCB2
(B)DistanceCB2
A1BreakoutCB
JmX-Castlevania
(K)Efreet-v2
(K)Oceanography-v3
ConcreteFactoryCB
MetalComplexCB
Peaceful_fix


Agreed on this for div2.
I'm not so in to the other divisions.
#37 N!Ce ([AcAi] )  16 Jun 2008 13:28
Come'on guys, what's up? More than 100 sign ups, but less than 30 suggestions, that's not acceptable =o
#36 TsHell (-=(FBT)=-)  16 Jun 2008 12:22
KnT^ wrote:
Agreed tbh,but Peaceful shouldn't be in the cup because of the start and end dodge.


Idd :$
#35 SAFeCRACKeR (SAFeCRACKeR)  16 Jun 2008 09:46
As I expect to be put in Div2 here are my preliminary suggestions for maps:

(Dub)CurseofHoogvlietCB2
(K)Efreet-v2
(K)Hiding-Dungeon
(K)Oceanography (either v3 or CB)
Argos (see notes below)
Asylum (see notes below)
ConcreteCB or ConcreteFactoryCB
Decadence-vF
KnighTmare][-vF
LostTemple (see notes below)
MarsAttack
Syphilis

Argos would be a good map IF a CB version was made with reduced damage in slime areas.
Asylum (Original version) - people may say its too hard, but I wouldn't say it's much harder than Orval for eg.
LostTemple (a well made map with nice obsticles, a worthy addition to any BT Cup)

Please no Mesablanca or put in Div 3, its been played to death zZzZzZz...

Most of the maps people have suggested are all maps that have been played in previous Cups, IMO we should have a 50-50 mix of old and new maps if possible. I'll try and give it some more thought later when I get home from work, I'm sure there are more decent maps that could be given their chance in a cup.
#34 [SiN]kmaN ([SiN] )  16 Jun 2008 06:39
that's why chupa said no in initial post to peaceful :P
no matter how good you are at it your cap time can be 2-5~ mins
..bit too much luck element

factory
factory
factory

3 votes please
#33 KnT^ (KnT^)  16 Jun 2008 05:46
}ElitE{LAg wrote:
nah peaceful is a great map for cups. this really separates skill levels... people who suck at technical things will be capping averages of 5 mins or more. sometimes its good to be about speed not deaths..
also as much as i'd like to have an easy map in div1, cmon is solarmoon really division1 standard :/
andi agree orval is nice for div2. whoever thinks its too hard and needs to be put in div1 ur wrong! :P
i think we should avoid abomination, i see alot of deaths in the end room. and people really cant be assed to watch/play a match lasting the full 20mins or w/e it is.
oh almost forgot: NO ARDON WTF PPL?!

Agreed tbh,but Peaceful shouldn't be in the cup because of the start and end dodge.
#32 }ElitE{LAg (}ElitE{ )  16 Jun 2008 05:23
nah peaceful is a great map for cups. this really separates skill levels... people who suck at technical things will be capping averages of 5 mins or more. sometimes its good to be about speed not deaths..
also as much as i'd like to have an easy map in div1, cmon is solarmoon really division1 standard :/
andi agree orval is nice for div2. whoever thinks its too hard and needs to be put in div1 ur wrong! :P
i think we should avoid abomination, i see alot of deaths in the end room. and people really cant be assed to watch/play a match lasting the full 20mins or w/e it is.
oh almost forgot: NO ARDON WTF PPL?!
#31 X-Raided (|TXW|)  16 Jun 2008 03:19
Bloeb wrote:
Okocim, I haven't played Peacefull yet (it crashes my UT), but isn't it a bit too difficult for division3? I guess it's nice for division2.



Peaceful is the eziest map ever, its literally impossible to die, just annoying dodges is all.
#30 Bloeb (Bloeb)  16 Jun 2008 00:31
Okocim, I haven't played Peacefull yet (it crashes my UT), but isn't it a bit too difficult for division3? I guess it's nice for division2.

Also I don't like Posterity in this cup. It's not too difficult, but the largest part of the map is just useless running and then you might die by some annoying obstacle. This just isn't fun.
#29 X-Raided (|TXW|)  15 Jun 2008 22:21
I dunno the exact versions or names or whatever but heres my list

Division 3

BT-BlahBlahBlah
BT-Capitilum
BT-DragRace
BT-Maverick
BT-Posterity
BT-Rush
BT-Unconventionull
BT-Cryptical
BT-A1LostFactory
BT-Shur
-------------------------------------

Division 2

BT-MetalComplex
BT-Oceanography
BT-Hells-Chamber
BT-CurseOfHoogvliet
BT-Mesablanca
BT-Syphilis
BT-Efreet
BT-Hiding-Dungeon
BT-CypressHill
BT-Knightmare
---------------------------------------

Division 1

BT-AdeonFactory
BT-BuriedCityOfUr
BT-DecayedCollapse
BT-Factory
BT-Phazon
BT-Slaughter
BT-Shelter
BT-D&B
BT-Bioshock
BT-Chaotic
#28 Ani* (Ani*)  15 Jun 2008 21:13
Personally in whatever divisions suitable i would like to see couple of the following:

- (NB's) 'Lethal Sun' or 'CX Island'
- (Jomax's) 'Castlevania or 'BioShock'

Think all of these are cool maps and would be good fun.

(Also whoever said 'Orval' shouldn't be in i disagree tbh.)
#27 OKOCIM_MOCNE (OKOCIM_MOCNE)  15 Jun 2008 20:40
Bloeb wrote:
I prefer some newer maps over the oldschool maps actually. Players with some cup-experience have the advantage when too many oldschool maps are voted.

Okocim, please don't vote BlitzAce, it has buggy movers. BlitzAce][ is a good choice instead.



@Bloeb
Yes, I forgot about two versions of BlitzAce.
so... BlitzAce][, not BlitzAce

BT+Maaike is also interesting and I would put it on Divison 3 maplist.
---------------
What do you think about BT-Peaceful_fix?
Is it good for BT Cup?
#26 -}uSa{seaN- (USA )  15 Jun 2008 19:18
I'm not really up to date with a lot of the new maps, but here are some I would like to see in the cup:

Div1:

BT-Horror
BT-Factory
BT-Rook
BT-DecayedCollapseCB
BT-SlaughterCB
BT-OminousCB
BT-Asylum][CB
BT-MysteryFortress
BT-KnowledgeCB
BT-Area51CB
BT-BuriedCityOfUr
BT-Abomination (I like the original for the sure fact that you can skip most of the ice room, but v2 is prob more appropriate for a cup match)

From what I have seen of BioShock it is a nice map, but I among other players still have a problem playing it.
#25 D4v^` (D4v^`)  15 Jun 2008 19:06
Division 1:
BT-Adeon-FactoryCB
BT-HorrorCB
BT-FactoryCB
BT-Asylum][CB
BT-SlaughterCB
BT-InfuriateCB
BT-DecayedCollapseCB
BT-Flagrant
BT-SolarmoonCB2
BT-ArdonCB

Division 2:
BT-ConcreteFactoryCB
BT-MetalComplexCB
BT-A1BreakoutCB
BT-MesablancaCB
BT-Efreet-v3
BT-DistanceCB2
BT-Orval-v2
BT-Syphilis
BT-Hiding-Dungeon
BT-OceanoGraphyCB
BT-AstridCB


Division 3:
BT-Shur_fix
BT-RushCB
BT-Posterity][
BT-CapitulumCB
BT-MiningFacilityCB
BT-LavaFactory_fix
BT-Timeless-Lv2
BT-LunaTemple
BT-EvilTombCB
BT-Circle

Nice
#24 Bloeb (Bloeb)  15 Jun 2008 18:36
I prefer some newer maps over the oldschool maps actually. Players with some cup-experience have the advantage when too many oldschool maps are voted.

Okocim, please don't vote BlitzAce, it has buggy movers. BlitzAce][ is a good choice instead.
#23 X-Raided (|TXW|)  15 Jun 2008 17:55
dont put solormoonCB2 in div2, May be easy for u but u gotta think about the noobs like me, lol. Also orval sucks ass, worst "div2" map here.
#22 OKOCIM_MOCNE (OKOCIM_MOCNE)  15 Jun 2008 17:50
maps for Division 3:

(10 easier maps)
BT-IlnessCB
BT-MaverickCB
BT-Library_fix
BT-MountainBaseCB
BT-BunnyCurse_i4g
BT-[UU]-TotalNoobish
BT-SpaceBunniesCB
BT-EvilTomb
BT-LavaFactory
BT-AlienTraining

(10 a bit more difficult maps)
BT-A1-MissionGoldenstatue
BT-Peaceful_fix
BT-VirusCB
BT-BlitzAce
BT-BlitzCastle
BT-BunnyPhobos
BT-Mesablanca
BT-LunaTemple
BT-Rush
BT-Distance

I also thought about two long, easy maps I like very much, but I bet that most of players would like to kick my butt and ideas out of the cup
BT-EasyBunny
BT-OcarinaOfTime_EZ
#21 -playah.nav- (-playah-)  15 Jun 2008 17:31
factory
#20 [wBe]depp ([wBe]depp)  15 Jun 2008 16:03
I would like to have these maps in Div 3

BT-A1-MissionGoldenstatue
BT-w00tw00t(fix)
BT-MaverickCB
BT-LavaFactory


for the others I just wait
#19 TsHell (-=(FBT)=-)  15 Jun 2008 15:37
I don't know what map chooce for Div1 and Div2, so I write about Div3 :

1. BT-MaverickCB (Old School)
2. BT-Ruination (New map for the cup I think)
3. BT-MiningFacilityCB (Old School)
4. BT-CapitulumCB (Yea, nice map for Div3)
5. BT-LunaTemple (Old School)
6. BT-IllnessCB (Old School)
7. BT-TimelessLv2 (Old School)
8. BT-LavaFactory (Very nice map imo)
9. BT-MountainBaseCB (Old School)

This just my opinion
#18 [SiN]kmaN ([SiN] )  15 Jun 2008 14:30
infuriate is too short imo, without the bounce room it would be as long as phazon, except i actually find phazon fun ( no offence syn :] )

-primeval is a must imo
-bioshock crashes people
-circumscribe is ok, but honestly i find it boring, especially with the "death" theme like your alone and will get savaged.
-i hate ardon, and no doubt it's another map chupa will say is 100/100 at canons, and another time i don't believe him at all <3
#17 deadLine'brz (deadLine' )  15 Jun 2008 13:42
Division 1:
BT-Adeon-FactoryCB
BT-HorrorCB
BT-FactoryCB
BT-Asylum][CB
BT-SlaughterCB
BT-InfuriateCB
BT-DecayedCollapseCB
BT-Flagrant
BT-SolarmoonCB2
BT-ArdonCB

Division 2:
BT-ConcreteFactoryCB
BT-MetalComplexCB
BT-A1BreakoutCB
BT-MesablancaCB
BT-Efreet-v3
BT-DistanceCB2
BT-Orval-v2
BT-Syphilis
BT-Luxor
BT-OceanoGraphyCB
BT-AstridCB


Division 3:
BT-Shur_fix
BT-RushCB
BT-Posterity][
BT-CapitulumCB
BT-MiningFacilityCB
BT-LavaFactory_fix
BT-Timeless-Lv2
BT-LunaTemple
BT-EvilTombCB
BT-Circle
#16 deadLine'lxs (deadLine' )  15 Jun 2008 13:31
My sugestion is:

div1
BT-Adeon-FactoryCB
BT-HorrorCB
BT-FactoryCB
BT-Asylum][CB
BT-SlaughterCB
BT-InfuriateCB
BT-DecayedCollapseCB
BT-Flagrant
BT-ArdonCB
BT-Rook

div2
BT-ConcreteFactoryCB
BT-MetalComplexCB
BT-A1BreakoutCB
BT-MesablancaCB
BT-Efreet-v3
BT-DistanceCB2
BT-Orval-v2
BT-Syphilis
BT-Luxor
BT-OceanoGraphyCB

(I didn't put BT-Astrid cause of tunel room, sometimes I die sometimes not, so it's needed a bit of lucky to pass this room)

div3
BT-Shur_fix
BT-RushCB
BT-Posterity
BT-CapitulumCB
BT-MiningFacilityCB
BT-LavaFactory
BT-Timeless-Lv2
BT-LunaTemple
BT-EvilTombCB
BT-Circle
#15 JamesS (JamesS)  15 Jun 2008 13:29
Division 2:

-ConcreteFactory (Its been a popular map in the oc and I think it fits the criteria for this cup)

-Airlok (Kind of frame droppy, but I dont think it occurs anywhere major)

-Argos (Not yet used in the cups but its a pretty cool map with some challenging obsticles)

-Efreet (Not been used for a while, It isnt much of a team map, but suits 1v1. We need some krool in this cup plz!)

-AdeonFactory (People might disagree with this choice for div2... But I think most of it is quite simple, the only challenging part is the length.)

-Phazon (Quite a good team map for rushing, I think it would accompany the 1v1 scene well.)
#14 JamesS (JamesS)  15 Jun 2008 13:23
Ok here are my suggestions...

Division 1:

- DecayedCollapse (wasnt used latest oc... so be nice to see it again)

- JmXBioshock (wasnt suitable for the oc but i think would a nice new edition to the 1v1 scene.)

-Slaughter/Circumscribe (Slaughter is a great map, but its been used quite a bit so far, a good replacement for me would be circumscribe)

-Factory/Horror (Both deserve a spot, for me its factory due to less frame dropping)

-SolarMoonCB2 (Definately the ice version...)

-MysteryFortress (After playing it in the NC its seems a good map for consistency and safe play)

-Rook (I wouldnt mind seeing this in there, but like chupa says, id like the dodges to be sorted out slightly.)
#13 Bloeb (Bloeb)  15 Jun 2008 13:09
Some maps I'd like to play in Division 3
1. BT-MetroMash-EZ
2. BT-Distanc3
3. BT-CrossOver
4. BT-Shur
5. BT-Bananas
6. BT-CapitulumCB
7. BT-Rush
8. BT-TheBigFall
9. BT+Maaike (put in a BT+ map for a change, this one isn't difficult)
10. BT-VirusCB

All these maps can be downloaded from i4games except for the CB-versions.

Maps I don't like to see in this cup:
- Maverick. I know it's a great oldskool-map, but I'm so tired of playing this one.
- Win98. This map has 2 nasty dodges. Even pro-bunnytrackers seem to have trouble with the last dodge.

I can't say much about the other divisions, I'm only a beginner
#12 Nin] ((-:SMo:-) )  15 Jun 2008 13:09
The current map suggestions for each division seem nice... However, i would quite like to see one kind of fast, but easier map in the division 1, but as syntex says:
"hey are mayby no div1 maps but it's realy tense if two players from div1 plays this"
A map like Phazon in div1 would be great for this.
#11 adix (db )  15 Jun 2008 11:57
[o]synteX[/e] wrote:
adix wrote:
guys u can't cap 3x factory without die and u want flagrant in this cup??? plz i don't wanna see 999dies in matches

i can cap it 3times in a row


i can't cap flagrant without 10-20 deaths
if u wan't maps like this in div1 i'll go to div2 and hf
#10 [o]synteX[/e] ([o][/e] )  15 Jun 2008 11:47
adix wrote:
guys u can't cap 3x factory without die and u want flagrant in this cup??? plz i don't wanna see 999dies in matches


i can cap it 3times in a row
#9 adix (db )  15 Jun 2008 11:31
guys u can't cap 3x factory without die and u want flagrant in this cup??? plz i don't wanna see 999dies in matches
#8 }ElitE{LAg (}ElitE{ )  15 Jun 2008 11:17
BT-ArdonCB (or BT-LethalSun-v2) LethalSun-v2 Ardon is fkin broke
BT-VirusCB (or BT-HauntingCB) HauntingCB
BT-WisdomCB (or BT-HidingDungeon) HidingDungeon
BT-SpaceBunniesCB bit of a retarded end with canons?

apart from that i agree with chupa
but heres my suggestion:
Division 1:

(K)Torment-v3
(J)EvilutionCB
OminousCB
Asylum][CB
Rook
(K)Mystery-Fortress-vF
BuriedCityOfUrCB
SlaughterCB
Adeon-Factory
LostTemple
(K)Primeval-v3
CircumscribeCB3
(NB)LethalSun-v2
(K-A)HorrorCB
Abydos
(K)Area-51-CB
DecayedCollapseCB
JmX-BioShocK
Argos
(NB)CXIsland-v2

--------------------------

Division 2:

ArticFantasy][
ConcreteCB
(K)Hiding-Dungeon
Syphilis
PhazonCB
KnighTmare][-vF
(B)Mesablanca
Posterity][
(syn)Orval-v2
Hells-Chamber
HauntingCB
(Dub)CurseofHoogvlietCB2
(B)DistanceCB2
A1BreakoutCB
JmX-Castlevania
(K)Efreet-v2
(K)Oceanography-v3
SolarMoonCB2
ConcreteFactoryCB
MetalComplexCB
Peaceful_fix

--------------------------

Division 3:

(B)Timeless-Lv2
A1LostFactory
LunaTemple
Alchemist-v2_dbl
EvilTombCB
Shur_fix
iLLNeSsCB
CapitulumCB
MiningFacilityCB
Execution
MountainBaseCB
MaverickCB
Win98CB
RushCB
LavaFactory_fixed
#7 KnT^ (KnT^)  15 Jun 2008 11:16
I'l post my amazingly sexy and perfect list as well xD :

Premier Division 1:
1. BT-HorrorCB
2. BT-FactoryCB
3. BT-Adeon-FactoryCB2 ( Fall needs a fix,possible to crater )
4. BT-Asylum][CB
5. BT-LethalSun-v2 ! ( great map imo )
6. BT-Flagrant! ! ( great map imo )
7. BT-JmX-BioShock ! ( great map imo )
8. BT-Abydos or BT-Area51-CB
9. BT-Rook
10. BT-InfuriateCB ( Remove the bounce but DONT make anything easier please,leave it hard its div 1 )
or BT-SlaughterCB

Second Division 2:
1. BT-ConcreteFactoryCB
2. BT-DistanceCB2
3. BT-OceanoGraphyCB !
4. BT-Mesablanca !
5. BT-PhazonCB !
6. BT-HauntingCB !
7. BT-A1BreakoutCB
8. BT-MetalComplexCB ! ( PM me I'l send CB version if need )
9. BT-Efreet-v3
10. BT-Hiding-Dungeon

Third Division 3:
1. BT-MaverickCB
2. BT-Rush
3. BT-MiningFacilityCB
4. BT-CapitulumCB
5. BT-Shur_fix
6. BT-Circle
7. BT-IllnessCB
8. BT-EviltombCB
9. BT-LavaFactory ( Should be in for the new players )
10. BT-MountainBaseCB

Here you have a nice list mixed with new and old maps and even the newest maps added.

BTW: First I had posted the links but it was messed up so I removed them :s

Download the unknown maps here:
http://www.i4games.eu ( Click on 'Maps' )
#6 [o]synteX[/e] ([o][/e] )  15 Jun 2008 10:44
div1:
1) bt-slaughter
2) bt-torment
3) bt-infuriateCB (no more bounce, first two dodges are a bit easier too)
4) bt-flagrant (instead of bt-buriedcityofur)
5) BT-JmX-Castlevania
6) bt-insecure
7) bt-ro-rush (instead of phazon) they are mayby no div1 maps but it's realy tense if two players from div1 plays this
8) bt-factory/bt-horror
9) BT-Asylum][CB
10) BT-ArdonCB (or BT-LethalSun-v2)
11) bt-solarmooncb2, we love the iceroom!!


lot of new maps in my decision tho
i rather don't prefer area in a 1x1 wc :/
#5 adix (db )  15 Jun 2008 10:28
my type div1:
1. BT-Area-51-CB
2. BT-BuriedCityOfUrCB
3. BT-Mystery-FortressCB
4. BT-SlaughterCB
5. BT-DecayedCollapseCB
6. BT-KnowledgeCB3
7. BT-HorrorCB
8. BT-ArdonCB
9. Factory or smth new
10. smth new

I don't know much new maps but i think BT-Oldmill-v2 would be good as new map.
BT-Croxum is great, but imo room with shoot-jump-dodge will be too hard with high ping.
BT-Luxor also good speed map, well change for Phazon.

div2 imho :

HauntingCB
Mesablanca
Posterity
BreakoutCB
Efreet
Cypresshill
ConcreteFactory
HiddingDungeon
Oceanography
smth new

div3
Maverick
Mining
LavaFactory
etc
#4 Chupacabra (Chupa)  15 Jun 2008 10:03
ok my proposal:
div1:
BT-BuriedCityOfUrCB
BT-SlaughterCB
BT-AdeonFactoryCB
BT-Asylum][CB
BT-DecayedCollapseCB
BT-SolarmoonCB2
BT-HorrorCB
BT-FactoryCB
BT-Torment-v3 (or BT-Primeval)
BT-ArdonCB (or BT-LethalSun-v2)

div2:
BT-OceanoGraphyCB
BT-Orval-v2
BT-PhazonCB
BT-CurseOfHoogVlietCB
BT-Mesablanca
BT-Storm-baseLV
BT-AstridCB
BT-VirusCB (or BT-HauntingCB)
BT-WisdomCB (or BT-HidingDungeon)
BT-ConcreteFactoryCB (or BT-ConcreteCB)

div3:
BT-MountainBaseCB
BT-MaverickCB
BT-IllnessCB
BT-SpaceBunniesCB
BT-MiningFacilityCB
BT-EvilTombCB
BT-LunaTemple
BT-A1Lostfactory
BT-Rush
BT-CapitulumCB

Furthermore please no Peaceful, Ominous, Rook or Win98 unless some of the 'luck' dodges in those maps get fixed. gl hf

PS. The maps can be downloaded here: <a href="cvs.php?url=www.bunnytrack.net/downloads.php?page=cat&id=5[/url]</a>
#3 N!Ce ([AcAi] )  15 Jun 2008 09:26
[o]synteX[/e] wrote:
Mayby i can make BT-Infuriate into InfuriateCB for a new div1 map perhaps?


Would be nice indeed. But let's see if it gets requested first. o:
#2 [o]synteX[/e] ([o][/e] )  15 Jun 2008 09:22
Mayby i can make BT-Infuriate into InfuriateCB for a new div1 map perhaps?
#1 N!Ce ([AcAi] )  15 Jun 2008 09:19
Discuss, discuss, discuss. \o/

If you don't and you ain't satisfied with the maplist afterwards, don't complain! Because you'd be the only one to blame (me pwnz teh rhymes). d

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