+10005

Offer him an ftp and they will be avail!

mappack download links now kthx

Thanks for all the honest feedback, but the map list will of course not change as that would result in even more feedback.

I think some people should realize that even though old maps such as Factory and Horror used to be the best BT maps in the past (I remember many great matches on Factory), there are now a large number of maps that are just as good or even better.

Perhaps in the future I might host a cup with only the 11 original BT maps, but for now you will have to deal with the maps in this list which, I can assure you, are very well designed and will turn out to be fun to play.

Expect the mappacks to be online tonight.

I'll respond to this because I can:

- I played it just the other day for the first time in ages, capped no death. I know I made the map, but I'm a fairly bad player really. So I don't see how it's so hard.
- Framedrops on the exit of that room - no idea why, but you know where to fall to, right? Look on the bright side, one cup I had to play KnightsLab and the fall there made my UT crash...
- 3 kickers you can jump or dodge differently if you want it to 100% work every time

Just for your information really

After that I don't have any major matters to Factory / Horror. Also I look forward to see PsyloCB and FroztCB. Primeval was in some other tournaments I guess and it is about skill too so even if I don't see it as a cup-suitable map It can stay.....
Now we got 49/50 maps nicely picked by sups.
But I'm whinning at BT-26. I barely can imagine someone capping it twice per 1 death. Also I have doubts about exit from monoxide room - on the " mini fall " I had low frame drops so it means it can happen to other players during match and then they will blame this map so badly. Also 3 kicker's part isn't totally polished because it boosts diffrent ( sometimes I don't get enough to the lift and must redo whole sequence :/ this happened to other players aswell ). CB fix would help a lot here.

It wasn't all negative,some people actually tried to have a social discussion here.There's nothing wrong with expressing our opinion Railen.Some points had to be brought fovard though,just too bad we haven't heard anything from the sups about the matter.

Eventhough I also stated my opinion which contained some criticism,I absolutely appreciate the work of the sups and also this Map-List which is nice.
Just some people have good points and they should be responded to not ignored.

Gladi: 'And last but not least, in my eyes quite a few new maps, is that smart considering this scene isn't that active anymore, doubt everyone will take there time praccing 4/5 maps again.'

He means there are a bit too many new/debut maps.In my eyes that is true,considering it's summer and people want to enjoy their time at the beach instead of playing for 5 hours and finally capping the map let alone analysing deaths practice to actually stand a chance against ppl who are continuously playing.

As I said before only so little is needed to make nearly everyone happy - and that is to reduce 1-2 new maps ( TwoCastles/LostJournals? ) and add 1-2 Old-skool ones ( ideally Factory/Horror as they had most votes ) or just - TwoCastles, +Factory.

Bow

Wow.

Go away you polish faggot!

You will always have people that are a bit negative, what do you want us to do? just swollow it and only talk positive about it while it's not? I've always been hounest, and i think that mathers, positive or negative... it doesn't mather
When i like the maplist i let them now, as in the previous cup... so when i dislike it i'll also let em know

Anyways, let's stop this useless discussion here..

o/

Amen

People spend time making a cup, getting logos made, etc etc. Maplist gets done and we get this:

"plz dont create topic with Maplist Discussion coz SUP will pick what they want"

"none of the comments were even considered what a bullshit"

"Imo this maplist is utterly shit"

It just annoys me a lot that people feel the need to be so negative when someone else is doing all this for you. Sorry for over-reacting.

No

He basicly did abit, because no one is cursing at the sups.
As for Krypton and Facade, we have gave them a chance already? maps like Horror, Phazon just suits more...

yo.

Raylen is nowhere near overreacting.
He analysed the situation in a neutral view.

As for people wanting 'classic' maps as Horror & Phazon;
I look into the maplist and see FacadeCB & KryptonCB.
Those maps can become to next generation "classic maps", you just gotta give them a chance.

BnT

Don't overreact... no one is cursing the sups.
Just simply the truth is being said here.

26 : (

Don't see why people feel the need to make multiple posts to say the same thing tbh.

As for everyone complaining so much, you know the sups, Chupa and Thotimo, you can look back in the past to see what kind of maplists they make. In general, tends to be a good mix of old and new maps, which is what you have this time. I don't really see how you can be surprised at the maplist.

And finally...why not try giving something back to the community? Help admin some matches, make some maps, anything - rather than cursing the sups because they didn't give you your favourite maps

True,but it took just a small simple step to make it perfect for everybody.And that was keeping the old-skool spirit alive as well as playing fair share of new maps ( which I will be happily praccing,cus they are nicely selected ).

And that simple step was putting FACTORY in!

+1 saw this coming
none of the comments were even considered what a bullshit

Yep, I dictated that list to the sups. :|
Well.. as you can all imagine some aspects are politics, some are random, some are zeitgeist motivated and indeed, some opinions do not have the same weight as others.
A guy's post who participates in their first cup suggesting weird stuff is skipped just the same as the same people suggesting the same maps year in year out. Becoming paranoid because of that totally normal way of selection is not really a moderate reaction, considering some people here have an attitude towards new maps analogue to bush's one towards aids treatment for Africa, I am just saying, maybe you too should develop
And relax
I think that this list is a near perfect compromise between the demands of all parties. I get to see some new names and you get SolarMoon and whatnot, really if the maplist was more my/your/supervisors' way everyone else except that party would rant...

Oh yeah i forgot... *put Factory in, cough*

That is easy, sups don't like Factory, in this case that'll be Thotimo... Therefor there is no Factory in the maplist

You do got a strong point there though, hiv.

Idd,it looked a little biased to me as well.Eventhough most of the maps we,the participants wanted in didn't make it,the Map-List is still nice.But atleast the top-scorers in Map-Discussion thread must've been included? Just looks unfair a bit.

Would be great if a supervisor could have a say and share his opinion/decision with us

I dont unerstand one thing, why admin created topic Maplist Discussion ? Sup didnt listen the crowd

for example

map
factory: 7 votes YES (in this admin suggestion)| 2 votes NO
bioshock: 3 votes YES | 1 vote NO
the lostjournal: 6 votes YES (in this admin) | 2 votes NO
frozt: 2 Votes Yes ( NO admin suggestion)

now compare factory with bioshock or thelostjournal THX

some players have special vote or wtf ? Next time plz dont create topic with Maplist Discussion coz SUP will pick what they want

Imo this maplist is utterly shit. (Speaking of div1 ofcourse) Quite a few long boring maps, what's the fun about that? and maps like Adeon, LostJournal... they are more suited for 2v2, theres no fun playing them 1on1 imo.. Maps like Phazon, Factory, Horror are more suited for 1on1. And last but not least, in my eyes quite a few new maps, is that smart considering this scene isn't that active anymore, doubt everyone will take there time praccing 4/5 maps again. Ah well, good luck

+1 to madz

No Factory.. great. i'll drop

cunts.

Well Buried is about the same lenght as 26, imo.

Div 1 looks fun, dunno how Pawel thinks 26 is a long map? Surely LethalSun and Buried are longer? Frozt will be interesting too heh.

Div 2 looks nice too, although Foulness is a bit tricky for me, probably expect to cap it once in 20 mins...I don't really like Darkside and don't know Oceanography, but otherwise fine.

Div 3 looks ok, although some ugly maps :s

gj sups

I love you.

First time ever (or almost atleast) playing BT, it's time to kick ass and win! Oh wait wa-

looks fine cpl of never-seen maps for me in first div (who knows where they puts me in though)

good job there ) if i had the power, i would maybe change twocastles -> vaultcb! in comparsion, imo vault better between these long maps. rest just fine, im satisfied atleast =) yay yay

Not sure if serious...



or just yard exercise in the Asylum

Honestly good mappick for 2nd and 3rd div. No whinning here so gj. I'm not totally happy with 26, primeval, two castles, psylo and frozt. 26 and two castles because they are way too long, primeval is so based on timings and sort of tiny jumps here or here, psylo contains tiring parts. Frozt I just hate. -.- In other case, unless there could be amazing fix I might like it....

Anyway 40 of 45 map picks is a very good result which I appreciate a lot.

I actually know most of the maps, wtf? Hadn't expected that.

And I don't agree with you that it should be more oldskool. I don't know all of the maps in div1 but those I know definitely deserve to be there, they're good maps.

It's nice to see three original maps in div3 though

Endless hours of practise? If you don't want to practise that much then don't?

First of all,great job with the maplist! I guess it was the best one you could come up with

But,it left me with quite some questions...
What about the Map-Scores in Maplist Discussion thread?? I see many maps who were nearly on the top got excluded... ?
( Talking about Div-1 List ).

It seems only some suggestions were considered the most ( and most of these being recent-times-newskool maps ).
Unfortunately,all these new maps that are included left the Map List without the old-skool feeling,which I was mostly looking fovard to in this cup...
( 10 new/debut maps with 4 old and 1 oldskool? )
The only map keeping the old-skool spirit I see is Primeval

But the Map-List looks really nice,skilled and proffessional.Players who didn't abandon BT and played it since today will surely love it... but what about the old farts like us who doesn't remember a thing?
Endless hours of practice!
A little more less new maps and a little more oldskool ones in would've been perfect in my eyes,but yeh.Can't please everyone I guess

So keep your spirit high BT'ers,prac these new maps hard and they will become your new thrones. ( or tombs )

A must-pick-map against me : 26.
Guaranteerd win!


Good maplist tho, as expected.
Have fun & much love all <3
BnT^

Yeah actually not too shabby at all. Some splinters of my prayer were heard and that is awesome. Luckily most of the maps I really disliked didn't end up on the list either and that is awesome as well. Prepare for awesomaz!

Idd.

Nice maplist, looking forward to this cup

266666666666666666666666666666 :SSSSSSS


good maplist.

+1 to viper

waiting for gladirage

Need to play Primeval....haven't in ages.

FFS no flagrant, imma quit

Any maplist without factory is great, gj sups

Great maplist! Got some maps in to learn list, oh well!