You made the right decission Godsmurf <img src='http://www.clanbase.com:8000/smiley1.gif' border='0' width='16' height='16' align=absbottom> OMG bds how childish of u <img src='http://www.clanbase.com:8000/smiley2.gif' border='0' width='16' height='16' align=absbottom>

Both to blame for failing making an solution for this matter.

shame on you!

hope not to see this kind of conflicts often again (in matches with that kind of popularity)

HOLLAND!! :P

CLANBASE is the esports community, they MADE this hole "ESPORTS" thing come true, so don't post those brainless idiotic comments.. and clanbase please ban all CS ladders, they are destroying the best community in this world..

You made the right decission Godsmurf.

Reading some comments now,, al those idiots who say "aah oohh oeoeo Sweden cant lose a gameee aaah ooh" ffs su it was 12-12 noone was losing idiots

whahahahaha this is like the most idiotic thing I''ve ever seen in CS cups. I mean ping 10 or 30 WHO GIVES A FUCK, sure LAN conditions own but jeez get a life. And if its true what it says, think it is . bds i acting like a freakin baby.
Hurray CS pwnz once again

im from the netherlands and i think ,

bds was right , who cares about all these tiny rules , who gives a damn fuck , germany played 12-12 on a server where they had advantage , so i think the would have lost anyway , so
cb : winy bitches
germany : wanna start another war ? GG

Clanbase, get your act together lol, you´re supposed to be proffetionals for christ sake, what kinda of newbie admins who you let handle these tournaments? jesus

-> If u are too stupig to do simple maths thigs just STFU[/quote]

prolly you are to stupiD to put something in english

hi guys !

aare u really so stupid in your fuckin brain thxt you can't read the fuckin rules. Is that really so hard ?

WE TALK ABOUT THE RELATIVE PING DIFFERENCE !!!

this is the factor you need to get from the better pings to the worser ones. The absolute difference between them doesn't count at all.

-> If u are too stupig to do simple maths thigs just STFU

godsmurf : why the game was resheluded 1 week later ??

i can answer alone
because German can have their best lineup and sweden can't ...


THX cb so fair !

I think the CB did the only right ting. And the swedish guys can't loose a game. Thats lame. If u had found another Server the match would be played. But bds didn't want that.

Godsmurf: Why did not Sweden get a chance to change servers, when germany did?
If that wasn't biased, I don't know what is... CB is a bunch of idiots...

orka...

I'm gonna clear something up, or try at least


German Server:


Ger: 5x35 = 35
Swe: 4x 50 + 230 = 86
Diff: = 2.46

Sweden Server:

Ger: 2x45 + 3x60 = 54
Swe: 2x6 + 2x15 + 1x20 = 12,4
Diff: = 4,35

There is a difference okay.
Difficult to explain but i'll try.

You wouldn't really notice playing with a ping of 50 or 30 but if youre ping is 230 you will notice the difference between 50 and 230.

The difference between 230-50=180 is 180 ms you WILL notice that, but a difference of 50-30=20 ms, 20 ms ffs i mean, what are you just a leemer or what omfg i always play with pings of 60-70.

Don't leem its bad voor your health.

And BTW the Dutch rule everybody knows that

Clanbase = just a joke!

ahah english rulez ² ... soon = already

I have seen the war with HLTV
Sweden|Nep had 230 ping in the first map !!!! Is that fair-play ???

On the second map 2 of German guys had 35-45 ping and another 80 (the others didnt come on the server to try their ping... easy) ...
And I have soon seen very many wars where some teams had 120 ping against 30 (switz vs estonia)... I think Clanbase Admins are really stupid or maybe CLANBASE is another way of cheat

PS: nice last round Nep (4 or 5 kills in the last round with 230 ping vs Germany) u rulez

cb is a disgrace to the whole damn e-sports community...

I rather see people posting brainless posts (as yours) stfu.

all of fucking mofos out there
please shut the fuck up
sweden: U SUCK!
germany: ok
CB: U RULE!

I've read CB's statement, bds's statement, the IRC log and most of this entire thread. And based on this, my personal opinion has formed into this:

The CB admins involved in this conflict DID break their own rules (at least they were about to). And by doing this Germany would have got the advantage.
And about the ping issue, for me it's crystal clear. Germany had the overall ping advantage. By personal expierience I can say that 250 ping is not playable, I would be VERY surprised if there's any cs player out there that disagrees.
The fact that he actually takes out 4 germans in one round just proves that he is blessed with mad skills.

After the result 12-12 with severe ping advantage I guess Germany "knew" they would get crushed on the swedish server. So just like the drowning man desperatly trying to reach the surface, the germans would do anything to improve their chance of winning the match. And ofcourse this included trying to avoid the last map being played on swedish ground. Lame? I leave that up to you folks.

And yes, I believe bds were way to stubborn, though he had VERY good reasons to be. Read bds's statement to understand this...

Some of the blame to germany, some to bds, but most to the involved CB admins. They exist to prevent this kind of situations. And based on the fact that they failed, I can with no remorse say that they are terrible CB admins. Make the same wise decision as bds, resign please...

Title "Sweden prefers forfeit loss over symmetric server advantage" shows how poor in math is Godsmurf :/...

Truth is ou there, poor gays in CB (ClanBase? Corruption Base?)

roflmao @ 600 childish comments, I'm printing this to laugh at it while I'm taking a shit.

clanbase are such cocks. germany whinge and moan about anything. even if u got the sunbed b4 them!

they moan cos a couple of players had a 10ping and the rest had 30ping, they were perfectly happy to play when they had a huge advantage, leaving one guy with a 200+ ping, effectivily putting him out of the game.

gg cb admins, i suggest you google "how to be a fair admin"

btw what country is Godsmurf from? just wondering :P

PLZ! Kick Godsmurf from clanbase crew!

Keep it coming, I love to watch this whine d00ds!

666 and still counting, tho devil wouldn't count more!

This kind of stuff is what wastes what could be a nice competition. theres always corrupt/ignorant/plain stupid people with some power that have to do it their way. who cares about the rules. Im really dissapointed at CB. If the admin had one bit of decency he would be the one retiring, and not from a match precisely

FUCKING DAMP! ! !
"<Nebb> played with a ping of 250"
yeah thats faire.... ehh NOT !
=/

Right decision.

Godsmurf, praise you, not an easy decision to make, but you've done the right thing!

PLZ ATLEAST COMPARE THE PINGS _BEFORE_ MAKING A DECISION!

Oh my god! I cant beleave CB is reakting like this! Ofcourse teamswe dident have to play with that ping compared with the german team..

the right decision imo

They had 1 ping.
We had 10 ping.

THATS TEN TIMES MORE, HORRIBLY UNFAIR, NEED TO CHANGE SERVER.

germans is blaming sweden and sweden is blaming cb. who is better than who?
and please stop flaming team swe, it's the stupid fans who is to blame for bad behavior. sweden (team sweden) did not whine about pings (well ok, but nebb had up to 250 i ping, that is NOT fair) but it was the germans who whined about sweden having better ping than they had (by the way, three players had about 30 ping and two had about 10). germany had problem-free ping and please don't come and whine about sweden having too low ping. that's prett lame.

btw, read bds statements and not only godsmurfs and raal..

Det var tammefan det värsta jag hört...sverige lirar me en spelare mindre för fan...en hel bana...alla vet att 250 ping är ospelbart!...varför bråka om 30 pings skillnad på matrix!!

Based on Godsmurfs facts:

Swe vs Gering issues.

On the German server:

German players:5x35ms=175
Swedish players:4 players between 50-60 that equals 4x55ms=220ms +220ms for the 5th guy=440ms total

440-175=265

Average ping difference between the Ger and Swe-players=53ms/player average pingadvantage for the germans.

On the Swedish server:

German players:1 player=40ms 2 players=80ms 2 in between 40-80 that=2x60ms=120ms 120ms+160ms+40ms=320ms

Swedish players:5x10ms although i doubt all 5 of em pinged around 10,anyhow that = 50ms

320-50=270

Average ping difference between the Ger and Swe-players=54ms/player average advantage for the swedes.

So what if the swedes pinged around 10ms,the pingdifference is still about the same.The difference between 20-10=10 and 120-110=10 so what if someone pings very low,the difference is still the same.

Can someone @ clanbase explain the major pingadvantage the swedes had on the matrix server?

Goof luck trying to explain ur decision.

so bcuz its volunteers work , u can be corrupted ?

u don;t need money to be corrupted
german admin says it al

no this decission is sux !!

omg, ffs stupid admins! ffs

Marshall wrote:
"It was agreed to play the match on two servers: a German server and the Swedish Matrix server. This was agreed based on the following exchange between the captains."

if you have agreed then you have agreed, no taking it back.

Its really nice that you are showing your own fekking version of this argue and not both, screw you Godsmurf

looks like CB just messed up and basically its CB'S loss coz i certainly aint gonna watch a final without Sweden in lol cracking team!!

nebb clearly explained to u dudes the disadvantage but CB admins are clearly blind!! hf with ur cups in the future!

I think bds is prepotent man and he unconformed and for the other see he is the top of the pop dont accept play.

bds = lamer

BG ClanBase.

"23:03:04 <Nebb> blackop, bds gave you what most ppl on adsl/standard connections in sweden does have against that server, how the fuck can he be responsible of not knowing every single ISP:s ping vs a given server?"

Having read the claims of both sides, I support Sweden. This will be a really nice cup to win.

start thinking

I think that Sweeds are not guilty for having a better server, so first of all I think that CB admins made a bad decision. Althought I need to say that I am suporter of Germany.
However, this wasn't a reason for bds to stopt this fight, anyway Godsmurf was giving him fair conditions. This incident was quite stupid and it's shame for a CS community. We were looking for this match for a long time, 'cause I think that Sweeden and Germany are two best teams in Europe!

i read first the clanbase comments and after "the Bds story" and what can i say is this: dunno why they were looking for another server if the Matrix server was already chosen, the clanbase reasons seemed preety lame 2 me, because as i've read Sweden played a 4-5 game on the first map, one of them had about 250 ping ... no comment on that if ure a real CS player, that's unplayable (if that's an english word :P). Second, dunno why Sweden's captain Bds refused 2 play on a Danish server or a neutral server ... but i kindda understand him sayin' "Team Sweden felt that this was becoming a big joke", this was unfair for them, changing the servers ... in my opinion ... Bad decision from the CB admins ... it wasn't supposed 2 end this way guys ... !!! tnx!

23:08:33 <[CB]Godsmurf> sweden, are you even interested in trying to play a fair match? if yes, help us find a server where germany has a similar disadvantage as you had

man , if bds woulnd´t be such a little child and would have accepted this above , we would have seen a great match, but all he says is such ignorance stuff :
[qoute] [23:02] (SK|bdss) we are playing on matrix or not at all
[23:02] (SK|bdss) final [/qoute]


German Server:

Ger: 5x35 = 35
Swe: 4x 50 + 230 = 86
Diff: = 2.46

Sweden Server:

Ger: 2x45 + 3x60 = 54
Swe: 2x6 + 2x15 + 1x20 = 12,4
Diff: = 4,35

So here yu can see that playing on the swedish matrix server would be more unfair then before.

so now kiddis please keep on attack senceless the cb-admins and the germans , but don´t forbet :

23:08:33 <[CB]Godsmurf> sweden, are you even interested in trying to play a fair match? if yes, help us find a server where germany has a similar disadvantage as you had

can't we all just go back to play public?

blackop he dident clear up the subject!!
you can see this on two way the german(and cb) or the swedish side... personally i think that bds is right coz tyskar e helt bög GERMANS ARE GAY!! GAY GAY GAY



bds RULES !!

I`m german and I can`t understand the Ger Team and also the SWE .I can only say it`s a game and if twice teams can`t figuratively give in then it is a povertyreport for the e.sports community

fu swedish-morons!


damnit..

if the servers has been desided, u play those servers. Germany should never accepted that server in the first place. But they did, regardless what bds has said about their ping. If Sweden didn't show up on server testing, then Germany should refused the matrix server... did they??... no... bds is right.... clanbase wrong.

I WAS LAUGHING AT THIS ALREADY BEFORE THE MATCH BEGUN. YOU ARE ALL SUX!

BDS IS A LAMER.

rofl

GodSmurf is one of the high chiefs @ clanbase
I think it was a wise choice.

Wired situation but easy solution => REPLAY MATCH !!!

I hope thad each of three (CB, germans, swedes) party would like to come to amicable solution i mean replay.

btw.

I read FULL logs (it is pitty they don't include logs from first map ) and i think bsd is ALMOST right and Godsmurf is ALMOST wrong. Come on men - agree something which is reasonable. This forfeit is not resonable.

best regards

The server had wwcl. But it wasn't good enough, cause it was a finnish wwcl, and bds had a better one on his pc ready.

Cry me a river Sweden \o/

http://www.geekboys.org/bds/sweger.html

Read that instead of this crap. Im very dissapointed at CB.

Godsmurf isn't even one of the NC admins wtf?

IM SORRY I JUST CANT STOP MYSELF :



well good for you is it a nice ass ??? cause' its some 20 year old blonde or sth then ur the lucky bastard

I forgot about the conclusion: :P

Sweden was kicked in the Balls by the Germans. And when bds started complaining - referee (GS) decided that it's a GAME SET MATCH for Germany - now that's a reaaaaaaal weirdo

Yes, but no referee will decide that it's a goal, when somebody kick your balls () - rules say its a FOUL not a GOAL. so referee follows the RULES.
Well in truth i didn't see GodSmurf following the rules, just following the Germans - do THEY make the rules for CB now ????

CB you must understand that you must use a calculator and get the avg ping. And when you o that you will see that germany get the advantge, with a lower avg ping.

Its very sad when you´try to learn BDS about netsettings and ping cause he is THA GOD in that stuff. And by the way, you have threated sweden bad from the start and given advantages to Germany, Germany had actully forfeited this match the first time. But GoDsmurf CB admin that doesnt have anything to do with CBnations changed the rules in favour of Germany you cant get around that. And offcourse you buy everything raal Germans leader who is also a CB admin.

His excuse were so lame, that his mail prog had blocked his mail... Thats like something I use when I havent done my homework...

Just get used to it, its CS! the game that got the most young players around, thats why Im still sticking with QW !! no damn childish bahavour there !

CB is corrupt , if swe was at a big disadvantage first map then let them have their fucking advantage on 2nd map.

Sweden kills germany with a nuclear blast....end of story...

Omg, you are acousing fakelag.. Something that is used by noob-onliners playing public..
2nd If they were on LAN, howcome one player end up with 250 ping and the rest pretty normal ?
They were infact spread out.. It was the germans that was on LAN.

1st i think that nebb was using fakelag cos he was playing just as other players (thats rule violation)
2nd "Sweden, who would be playing in near LAN conditions." - they were on lanso hey have LAN conditions and server was 10m from them
3rd i think they broke another rule that 3 or more sweden players were from one clan...

Don't agree with Godsmurf.. i do think bds is right, cmon guys, germany complained ? they had 50 ping, i've seen many much more important matches played with some players who had 80 ping, they weren't laming like this.

Anyway, dont wanna write more, for me it is so obvious that CB made a huge mistake by taking this decision..

Finally, no offense, but it isn't the first time i've read about problems with Germany on ClanBase

Well, gl guys, ClanBase u're getting very low in my interest, u've already lost so much those last few years.

It would be nice if any CB-admin make a reply of this:
http://www.geekboys.org/bds/sweger.html

Please read
http://www.geekboys.org/bds/sweger.html
and you will see for your selves.

--------Summary--------

1. Match scheduled 25th january - both team showed up but the german head-admin "raal" told his team to leave couse "They didn't have their best line up"...
btw: Sweden hadn't their first line up either <img src='http://www.clanbase.com:8000/smiley1.gif' border='0' width='16' height='16' align=absbottom>
Germans claims that they had tried to email BDS but the mail didn't get through due to some probs with mail-filter..
CB-Goodsmurf decieded to reschedule even though the germans had a lineup but didn't want to play.. ??
http://www.clanbase.com/rules.php?lid=703#mr_general
(The CB rules clearly says FORFEIT but BDS is a sportsman and agreeded to reschedule)

-----reschedule to 2nd February-----
2. BDS suggested to german admin a neutral DK server but it was decided that one German and one Swedish server were to be used. Servers tested, confirmed and agreeded by both captians.
Swedish players "nobb" ended up with a terrible 250 ping but for the sake of sportmanship he didn't complain because next map he would have an advantage instead. Scores end up 12-12.

-------------------------------------

3. Time to use swedish server. All of a sudden the Germans wouldn't play and CB-Goodsmurf decieded to change the agreement because germans complain about ping-disadvantage (they had ~50 ping, about the same as on the german server...)
The rules speaks for them selves:
http://www.clanbase.com/rules.php?lid=703#before

So I can't understand how anybody can claim that BDS isn't a sportsman? He did the right thing so CB and perticullary Goodsmurf should think a couple of times of what they have done..
This stinks !!!!!

BTW: Germany's captain raal is also a member of the Clanbase Crew...

I love this post.. especially the last 2 words

I mean :

HAHAHA I LOVE POST THIS..!!

sorry for mocking your entire existance.

take care/take a beer,
-Retail

it would seem the swedisch captain has puberty problems.
Fair decision if you ask me!

it´s a game ?

bds destroyed everything...
but who cares...gl germany in the final!
<img src='http://www.clanbase.com:8000/smiley1.gif' border='0' width='16' height='16' align=absbottom>

Omg, the CB admins broke their own "server aggreament" rules. If the both teams have aggread on servers then you can't change the decission made. Thats what your own CB rules say. You CB guys don't even care about the rules, right?. The rules say nothing about that you can change servers when they have bin aggread upon. It's all about good sportsmanship. In this case Sweden were good sportsamans when one of thir players played with 250 ping, knowing that the German server was already aggread on. Talk about Currupted admins...


http://www.geekboys.org/bds/sweger.html

http://www.geekboys.org/bds/sweger.html

you did the right thing Godsmurf
GOGO Godsmurf
bds more than lame NO COMMENT LAME ONLY LAME

Hmm...I think Sweden chosed the right thing, ClanBase shouldn't let Germany change the swedish server ffs!

Go Sweden! Go Sweden!

bds, your'e the man!

You're qouting it, but obviously not understanding it. "This was agreed based on the following exchange between the captains."
You are quoting this sentence without quoting the exchange, which is referred to in it.

swe why soo lame ? (((
its soolame lame lame

i understand Clanbase Crew,
bds is )&/%/(%( what he sayed in the log ohm no commentonly lame

It´s just a game....

you're welcome, just don't play more cs

omg jobbiga inlägg av alla tyska noobs oms sitter där med sina p90
:P

At firs sory for my english (more CS les studys). I think that for CB and for both teams i would be best to replay the second map.
I know that i'm not original but there is to many post like "lame sweden" "lame germany" "lame CB and admins"
Do you think it is folt of one admin/team/CL i think not.

Pleas put away your anger and calm down.
Stop arguing and think how to resolved the problem becouse i think there is one.

BSD ask the CB can you replay the second map (as i know they already make such exception for germany and i like to think they did it rather for fans not becous of corruption)

CB/Admins read once again logs and say as an inteligent people, didn't you a litle prowoke bsd ? He was upsed i think and you should try to convince him to your idea of changing serwer.

German team isin't that in your fawour to play this match to tehe end. Half of the players will say after the finals (regardles of score) that you shoudn't play in it. Proof what you are worth. Win or lost but with HONOR. I will admire you if you will please the CB to replay second map.

Such litle mistakes and such a big case. If your pride sufers then do that for us fans if not for your selfs.

Pleas consider that becous I think that CB was created to bring computers games to the world of real competitions and all games even Olimpics would be nothing without spectators.

A litle eforts and you wont lost trust of half of the fans.

Once again sory for my english and for boring text.
Play it again you have nothing to lose except for germans
and all of you have something to gain !!!!

STFU MOFFEN

HAHAHAH FUCK U BITCHES..! LOSS CUZ THEIR OWN CAPTIAN..! BULLSHIT...! RAAL IS A CB ADMIN...! U GAVE HIM ADVANTAGE..! EAT MY SHORTS GODSMURF AND SUCK MY BALLS.! GROW UP..!

lol pld aknot.biased.net

he blatently didnt, the rules were pick a server b4 game they picked germany are wank and german so swe should have won simple.

I don´t know anything about his .. but I like Sweden. =)

sorry fpor my language get so pissed of <img src='http://www.clanbase.com:8000/smiley4.gif' border='0' width='16' height='16' align=absbottom>

HAHA fuck u u poor russians cant play a shit....ffs who are u actually?? sweden owes everyone ffs..u poor shit..feel sorry for u

lol, why didnt anyone listen to Nebb, he was so correct..

he definitely did!

After reading bds statement more thoroly (sp?) I realised that it was a quite confusing decision from bith sides and im sry bds for saying you were omogen

ANyways its always problems when its swe vs. germany!

solution:
Play 2 complete games....one game (48 rounds) on each server

CB should get better admins than Godsmurf and blackop imo.
Ger advantage on their was even bigger then swe's was on their server, so i see no reason for not plaing there!!
and i understand bds in the way he acted, he must be very upset, since Ger actually lost this game before, by not showing up at all!

Godsmurf is totally right.

LOL plz swedish lamers can you just stop complaining!!!

I am swedish and I am ashamed that people from my country are saying that germany is lame and the CB is corrupted.

(sry team germany and CB crew )

And lol bds plz....... moget

Sweden has a population of 9 million not 6 thats 3 millions diffrence....

Fucking idiot they didnt suck they played 12-12 with shit ping on german server and germany didnt agree to play on swedens server.. stupid fucker.. people like u make me go ANGRY!!

all swe cs lamer go in the depp forrest and cry cry cry

bds is a fu*** bastard

whine whine whine..always whine

The German team is sooooo lame... Despyte sweden's ping they were able to take 12 rounds! I think that tells a LOT about the German skill... GROW UP FFS!!!
SWEDEN 4 finals... not the f*cking germans....

Suuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuckers........ :-P

,.|..(¤_¤)..|., to you Germany!!! Sweden f*cking own y'all!

Plz Godsmurf leave the cb crew and i think tihs must be the lamest lines i have ever read talk about that he had made up his mind before the match.

"blackop ([sC]) 3 Feb 06:33
Why? Bds wants to be lame, and he is, that's for sure. I noticed that on the mindtreklan, i notice that again in this match."

GG bds ,sad that you are resigning as the captain of the swedish team but i meen i understand, why continune when the whole CB CREW is Corrupted???

GL in SK.swe bds "may the force be with you"

BG CB (Corrupted Base) a shame for the CS community

Im not going ot read the whole threaf cos, anyway, i guess there's some truth on both sides...

The only point i want to make is that a league has referees and those order the rules, be it fair or unfair, be it in accordance with writtent rules or not. Just look at football or any other competition, any at all... You can only win if the referees agree to it...

get a grip clanbase and german fuxxzorz.. team swe rules.. the curruption has now reach cs.. hate to say i told you so allright! :/

go bds.. go sweden

i wounder why godsmurf dosent answer on nebb's question ;-)
Fucking wussy

Ehm... excuse me but arent team magic Danish.

If you think Denmark is a part of Germany then think again.

FOOL

Oh, and i bet Intel or whoever was the sk.sca sponsor is real pleased with this demonstration of what they pay for.

well, rules are rules to follow, if you decide a server before, you cant like change after, for an big advantage to Germany.
its pretty lame of the admins in my perspektive.

wow... i think clanbase did a terrible misstake. Nebb did acctualy have 250 ping on GER servers... so i think it doesent matter if bds told clanbase that they had about 30 ping.
It would be fair if the other round wuold be played at matrix servers!

After reading this I see that it was all bds fault and ass I see it he act exactl the same in SK.swe and acts lika a dive whos above everybody. I respect the desision and I say, get rid of bds as team captain, im swedish and I think that u did exacly right.

Thanks for this great example of what i said in my post
Try to deliver a well founded argument instead of resorting to calling other people names. U come across like a 12 year old , which u probably are

I thought CB was a site for gamers and fair play .. I will never use CB again .. I will also ask other clans to do the same.. This time you went to far CB..

i think it isn't right to blame this entirely on CB or team swe

i think it was wrong for the admins to not allow the game to be played on the matrix server (only 2 guys had a ~10 ping) and the overall ping difference wasnt large enough for one team to have a real advantage
but if bds hadn't been so stubborn about the server thing, team sweden would be playing the finals

The German team is sooooo lame... Despyte sweden's ping they were able to take 12 rounds! I think that tells a LOT about the German skill... GROW UP FFS!!!
SWEDEN 4 finals... not the f*cking germans....

Suuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuckers........ :-P

,.|..(¤_¤)..|., to you Germany!!! Sweden f*cking own y'all!

anyone remember the cb opencup final between ONE and Magic ? another dodgy ping decision in favour of the germans.....

This game had allready been forfeited by the germans earlier. Then forced by cb crew to be replayed. Seems like every common idiot can become cb responsibles these days.

whine whine whine

stupid cs kiddies :/

muhahaha !!!!!!! nice !!!!!! fuck sweden !!!!!

OMFG unlucky sweden - u were obviously screwed here. germany dont deserve to b in that final, germany knew they had no chance of beating an understrength sweden line up, its just lucky their captain is a member of cb admins wp lads.

germany suck d*ck, and they know it.

I'm from Poland and I'm using a real login. IMO in competition such as NC admins should be more intelligent. Both sides have made mistakes. YOU SHOULD REPLAY SECON PART OF THE MATCH!!! don't leave it like this. FAIR PLAY!!! CB can't cancel match because of stupid argue with admin!!!! That's realy childish!

WP clanbase, bds needs to learn there is such a thing as sportsmanship. A fair game is more important than winning.

OMG so much whine .... :>
Swedes, cant handle fact that you sucked this time ? SK lost Ocr - whine, Swe sucked here - whine. Is that a rule ?
Why it is NORMAL when ping sucks for russian q3 players. And Sweden whines PLAY or FORFEIT ?
Well, it will be a nice lesson for all ya, swedes. If you will leave clanbase from now, I will be happy, less swedes less whine and more fair play.

rofl

Clanbase, why are you doing this to yourself?
You are acting like children..
bds is right! I cant understand how you can be so blind?

And Godsmurf, it´s you not bds that should resign!
I feel sorry for you and your CB staff!

You did the right thing bds!

To begin with, team-germany started this hole thing. They said that team-sweden had too low ping and got upsett and leaved the server and refused to play at the Swedish server.
And another interesting thing is that the ping-diffrentses between Team-Sweden and Team-Germany was pretty wierd. I will post bds calc; German server:
Sweden = 250 + 4x60 = 490 total ping
Germany = 5x50 = 250
Difference = 240 in favour of Team Germany

Swedish server:
Germany = 5x50 = 250
Sweden 3x10 + 2x30 = 90
Difference = 160 in favour of Team Sweden

As you see the german team had a advantage in ping. And a fast calc you see that Team-germany had 80 ping in diffrens. Not much but the cb-admins said it wasn't fair for the german players, when it realy was Team-Sweden who had the most disadvantage.
This hole thing is pretty fucked up. No one can say against me with this. I think Team-Sweden got tricked on the victory. This is just lame..

hur orkar ni?

Clanbase made a good job in not telling people about the fight. The fight was told to take place on the 25th but then it was prosponed... me and my friends logged ont he the clanbase site for a week, trying to find out why the match results wasent up yet, no update from Clanbase telling why. (maybe there was an update and if there was im sorry for writing that but cln base site is VERY strange sometimes) Anyhow, on the date of the fight u posted a .eye file, was it just me or dident that HLTV proxy exist? had to go thru German games-tv site to find a list of servers running the match, info on clanbase radio was poor also.

and BTW, BDS was rite...

LOL @ CB

fucking noob cb!
dont be on germanys side...
all u n00b cb amdins are from germany

I think my mum is cool !

djibba djabba!

could be quite hard to give exact ping in advance when you dont know what conenction the players will use? strange rule and that the sweeds should be punish for thair good connections is kinda funky whine at the DAMN GERMAN ISPs FFS

lol?

just wanna say HI ! who agrees ?

also lol to all who posts insulting and racism bs against the other nation... folks there were only 5 guys (players + captain) of both countries involved in this situation out of 6 million and 85 million...

got solution we use a 10Gbit sunet conenction and ping m@trix then everybody joins and team swe has 1000 in ping and team ger has 1030 in ping ONLY A 3% diffrence in ping and it would be the fairest sullution according to how the clanbase counts?

ClanBase?
CorruptedBase....

pups

@viewer: you should write a soap around it

You're all fucking lamers...

yes, I totally agree.

Just contributing to the spam... :\

lol @ all who upset about this thing.... its just a game and germany won because sweden lied und refused to play :PpPpPpPpP

The conditions on inferno were relatively fair.... germans with 40 ping swedes with 60 ping execpt Nebb with a 220 ping (however he was the best swede. shame on the other swedes...) . aber wayne...

imho holland should have won this match

yes officially. but that doesnt mean you cant have influence on other crew members does it ? ... i'm not accusing you of anything or any other crew member for that matter either except blackop for not knowing the meaning of "~", i just wanted to state that you _could_ inofficially.

-GERMANY HAD PING ADVANTAGE IN FIRST MAP.

-SWEDEN WAS OFFERED TO GET SAME ADVANTAGE IN SECOND MAP

-SWEDEN DIDNT WANT THE SAME, THEY WANTED THEIR WAY (more or less, dunno)

-BDS REFUSED TO PLAY ANYWHERE ELSE THAN WHAT WAS SAYED BEFORE AND STARTED TO BLACKMAIL CB WITH DEFAULTING.

(maybe not authentic)

Godsmurf: "why didnt you show up for server testing when you were supposed to? we wouldn't have had to count on your word because we didnt want to keep 2000 spectators waiting for another hour. But ok, What's done is done. Now forget everything thats been said and lets make this match fair by finding a server where you have the SAME ping advantage as Germany had in last map, ok?"

BDS: "NOOOO! We want matrix! You cant take your word back just because i took mine. Clanbase is corrupted"

Godsmurf: "What is so hard to understand here, we will find new server where you will have SAME ping advantage as germany, no more no less. How's that corrupted or unfair to anyone? Just try this server..."

BDS: "NOOO!!1 I will not try anything! I will start to cry and go home if you wont keep your promise"

Godsmurf: "Only thing promised was that we will try to find equal servers, now we will do just that. This way there wont be no excuses after because both teams played with same advantage/disadvantage"

BDS: "NOOO!11!!! LOOK WAHT HAPPENED 2 WEEKS AGo!!1112 WE SHOULD HAVE GOTH DEFAULT THEN, TAHT MEANS WE CAN NOW HAEV ADVANTAGE!!11"

Godsmurf: "What does that have anything to do with this? Mistakes have been made in past, noone is denying that but now we are gonna make this as fair as possible"

BDS: "NOOOO!!!!111 FAIR IS NOT GOOD ENOUGH!! WE FORFEIT!

You made the wrong decission Godsmurf..

-----> http://www.geekboys.org/bds/sweger.html

pff..
german bad attitude
and cb CORRUPTION

this game sUx it begin to be too much

for me swe won :/
bg

...damm fucking clanbase....and raal u suck ..no doubt abuot that ma lil kid....just accept the rules and dont talk sooooo much shit....team-ger has to assume the decision ....they were violating the rules and they were soooo lame....what about the swedish player ???? that guy with the 250 ping ?
germany sucks and i am from that sucking cs country...i am so ashamed about that cs team.....
sorrrry....

Greman sucks i hate them ! Why cant they folow the rules n00bs!

lookin at the facts it seems both were at fault. The match should have been played at the original date seeing as sweden had not agreed to reshedule but if bds says pings r 30 when they 10 he can also be put at fault. Overall tho i think CB are at fault as the game should of been pld on the original date

well well well

ok.....I must agree with CB that it was wrong of bds to give wrong information about the ping. But its not right to go against your own agreements as Godsmurf did and, I think that the germans had a greater advantage on their map than sweden would have on their map.

lol, this is lame. Godsmurf, I think you made a bad decision.

Another great decision by this professionall organisation we call clanbase. At the end of the day sweden > germany.

http://www.geekboys.org/bds/sweger.html

REMOVE raal from clanbase since he is biased. You shouldnt be allowed to be teamcaptain and admin, everybody sees it. If this doesnt stop CB is dead.

Furter:
"blackop ([sC]) 3 Feb 06:33
Why? Bds wants to be lame, and he is, that's for sure. I noticed that on the mindtreklan, i notice that again in this match."

This shows that the admin had agrudge toward bds before the match .. again GG CB putting a biased admin up for a match.

raal we knew you were powerhugry from the Femalematch between Swe - Eng where you were admin. Decided against Sweden in choosing the server when it states in the conterary in the rules. nd when the Swedish teamcaptain brings it up you replies "Do you want to discuss the rules i wrote some more?"
and again we have to say GG CB .. you realy have outperformed yourself.. corrution is one word that comes to mind....

nebb is right...

Hm,, i don't get it why would sweden lie about there ping ? for me thats seems kind of stupid.. well well, i think the match should be "replayed" on a neutral server..

Look @ that and what bds is thinking:


Ur calculating averages... the truth is that according to ur calculations all swedes would have about 86ms and all germans 35ms - but that's wrong. One of them had a ping of 230 the rest average ping times.
Ergo: on the german server 1 swedish player had a real disadvantage - 4 swedish players had none (or almost none).
on the swedish server 5 german players would have had a real disadvantage.
That means 5 germans minus 1 swede = 4 disadvantaged german players.

Fuck godsmurf (213.67.248.216) 3 Feb 17:27

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fuck CS

You seriously think that bds talks bullshit over this? I believe in every word he says, and you should too, he is the god in the counter-strike scene. Noone has even come near as much as he has done for US. That comes natural, that you listen to what Andreas has to say. Just read it through? http://www.geekboys.org/bds/sweger.html

"osiris (80.248.100.203) 3 Feb 06:04
Didn't know bds had become lame :>"

Who's lame here? 100 german CB admins with the power to do anything. But we have nothing to prove, we all know that we are defending the title. Let German win so there won't be anymore whine..

Great job! Respect the most respected, because bds is so much greater than you will ever be. Great job taking him down from the throne.

I am a canadian living in the UK so I dont have biased views towards any country, but after reading both statements I have to agree with bds, in that CB didnt follow their own rules, clearly making some up as they go along. Why make rules if you dont follow them? Anyway we all know sweden would have won it anyway

Or maybe just fuckin stupid...

Bds didn´t do anything wrong exept telling Godsmurf that their ping was ~30 on the matrix server. I can tell you that the matrix servers is allways full So when the servers is full the ping raises.

German and CB people are wrong in this.

CB is corrupt that sure.....

SEEK (213.66.253.181) 3 Feb 16:03

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Fuck godsmurf, and CB! If you have decided to play on one server, then you can't just change after the first map.

decision made and explained what else is to say????????

how much can ppl talk about this.........

are all ppl from swe borderliners?

Glad I am not a part of this fucked up community <img src='http://www.clanbase.com:8000/smiley1.gif' border='0' width='16' height='16' align=absbottom>

well well
Look @ that and what bds is thinking:


Ur calculating averages... the truth is that according to ur calculations all swedes would have about 86ms and all germans 35ms - but that's wrong. One of them had a ping of 230 the rest average ping times.
Ergo: on the german server 1 swedish player had a real disadvantage - 4 swedish players had none (or almost none).
on the swedish server 5 german players would have had a real disadvantage.
That means 5 germans minus 1 swede = 4 disadvantaged german players.

http://www.geekboys.org/bds/sweger.html <-- bds answer, read that plz and comment later!

"We discussed and agreed on servers a long time before the match (starting at 19.00).
raal even sent his players to the matrix server to try it out and they confirmed that it was good and accepted to play on it.
I suggested a neutral server in Denmark, but it was decided two servers were going to be used."

CB Rule #8. "Once a server has been decided upon, either by the clans or by the admin, this decision stands for the entire match; a clan can not demand a server change or more server testing later on. The server decision can only be changed if both clans agree, or if the connections to the server have changed drastically for several players."

really nice there clanbase to break your own rules!

This is so embarrasing to see. I respected bds very much before this, I thought he was the best guy to develop and represent pro gaming. But he acts so childish, sad to see. Of course it was a surprise for him that the servers are changing, but he lied the swedish pings on matrix server and the swedish team was late also.
It would have been very fair for sweden to have the chance to play 2nd map on even server, but they ruined it. The swedes were really the childish here, not the admins, who got into very difficult situation because of bds's stupid attitude.

FUCK OFF SWEDEN...YOU ARE ALWAYS COMPLAINING ABOUT SOMETHING AND ITS NEVER THE SWEDES FAULT !?!?! FUCK OFF! bds THE WHORE THAT HE IS, WAS A JERK AND OFCOURSE TRIED TO GIVE SWEDEN A HUUUUUUGE ADVANTAGE ...
HE KNEW SOME OF THE PLAYERS WOULD BE IN _LAN_ WITH THE MATRIX SERVER SO BULLSHIT etc !!!!!!
SWEDEN WOULD HAVE GOT OWNED BY GERMANY ANYWAY, BUT IF THEY HAD WON, THEY WOULD HAVE BEEN CRUSHED IN THE FINALS AGAINST AUSTRIA !!!! FUCK OFF SWEDEN

- sry about the language, and CB Admin I dont mind if you delete this because of my language <img src='http://www.clanbase.com:8000/smiley1.gif' border='0' width='16' height='16' align=absbottom> -

.!. I'm just so pissed at the swedes for always blaming others .!.

Mon (80.137.182.9) 3 Feb 16:33

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er1k and some other guy wrote this

German Server:

Ger: 5x35 = 35
Swe: 4x 50 + 230 = 86
Diff: = 2.46

Sweden Server:

Ger: 2x45 + 3x60 = 54
Swe: 2x6 + 2x15 + 1x20 = 12,4
Diff: = 4,35

Unfair.

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Dude where is your IQ, the swedes had got 3x 10 and 2x 30 thats a whole different ping you moron

12-12 map one is a great score for the fans and the followers of this cup. it gives them something to do and enjoy in the evenings, and a result as close as this leaves them in suspense for the next map.

http://www.geekboys.org/bds/sweger.html

This is evidently proof that CB are indeed wrong about their decision. Dont get me wrong i dont support either country or have my own personal view whose right, but bds has pointed out that Sweden were 'screwed' twice. If you ask me and the thousands of other fans, then you'd know that we'd want to see the Sweden - Germany final map to be played, under the captainship of bds or not.

Please..

i wonder when is next PING.WHINERS SWE vs. HAXX.FI match

seer (213.66.227.211) 3 Feb 17:07

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oh gosh, a lot of frustrated people here and here's my 2 cents:
I personnaly think Team Sweden couldn't care less about this cup, only some 12 year old schmucks without a log-in seem to get sleepless nights because of all this^_^

I really hope AT kicks Germanys ass in the final and that raal
getting kicked from the Clanbase-crew, He should not be the head-admin of Germany and an admin of Clanbase-crew at the same time. I can't understand how clanbase can break so many rules that they got bds to resign from Swe.
Read http://www.geekboys.org/bds/sweger.html

Yeah Gay Pride at least one homosexual cstrike player who's outing himself.

bds made the right decission, just because swedens win over germany 101% of the matches, raal tried to win the match by unfair things. Its raal who is a lamer who cant accept his team playing in a fair server he gotta have an advantage of the superior swedish team.

Clanbase owned by their own rules. Haha this is just funny.

I think that the admin can suck my ass, the swedish team would own the germans if not the admin refused to change server, so admin plz suck my...

ARE YOU SO STUPID CB ? BRAKEING YOUR OWN RULES ?!?! SMART GUYS ! IF YOU ALREADY DECIDED SERVER THEN THE RULES SAY THAT YOU HAVE TO PLAY ON IT, NO MATTER WHAT. SWEDEN ALREADY MOVED THE MATCH UP AND WAS FRIENDLY TOWARDS GERMANY. OMG SO STUPID CB AND GERMANY, CLEARLY ADMINS ARE ON GERMANYS SIDE.

I agree, a chinese would have had ~500 ms ping.

Huch? I thought he got lots of things one gets if he's said to be corrupt even though no one knows why one is but people still think it whithout knowing what one got for being corrupt.

rofl

keep in mind: IT'S JUST A GAME

Godsmurf should be kicked real hard in the but for favorising a team like that BUUUUUUUUUUUUU

one more thing ...I guess scream spawn and logic were playing from matrix ...did bds know this or didn`t he?
because if they were playing from home their ping would have been 30

Well done Clanbase: These kids have to learn that they just can't disscuss so long until they get a def-win win or an (for their enemys) unfair server.

By the way: Germany would have won one way or another...they won SWE-map because it was 12:12 and 2 points would have been substracted becaus throwing flashes through the Skybox. And after that cbble (ger-map) would be played.

GG Germany you were the better team even if you couldnt show it to all.
(SWE prefered to forfiet and blame GER and CB than loose in a fair game! *sucky*)

Vote for me!....and i'll finish off these dickheads out there

IMO This shouldnt have happend at all in the first place GER forfeited and SWE was blamed for not receiving raal's e-mail thats really bullshit if you ask me.

Zeatrix wrote:
But as a ice-hockey referee I understand some of the decisions that godsmurf and crew made. You often have to make calls that arn't completely by the rules, just to get the game flowing. I.E in hockey you won't see the reff giving 2 mins for every offence.
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and as a referee u don't brake ur own rules? don't mind if I do....

when i read the logg both the germans and Cb admins piss me off how can they do that shit 1 guy plays with 250 ping and the others have 50-60 why not then play on Swedish server? thats the lamest thing i ever heard,they always switch server but this time n000000 lets help the natzizzzwiiiiiinnnnnnnnnnnnn

FINAL!!


Yes, i love it ;D win is win and sweden is responsable for the defloss :P

good decision cb... bds suXxx sry

Me Myself and I (217.150.162.106) 3 Feb 16:34 Reply
Theres only one thing to do.

Replay the match on ONE danish server that suits all.
This will never ever stop if its not done.....

There will be a CS war between Sweden and Germany in the future if its not done....

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or better up, the respect for clanbase will fade and more shit like this will come up... btw, i can't see germany's reason to whine? anyone else who does?

Na, there are just much more immature dumbheads. The amout of bias, nationalism and stupidity is frightening...

German Server:

Ger: 5x35 = 35
Swe: 4x 50 + 230 = 86
Diff: = 2.46

Sweden Server:

Ger: 2x45 + 3x60 = 54
Swe: 2x6 + 2x15 + 1x20 = 12,4
Diff: = 4,35


Were is swedens advantage? That admin must have an incompleate grade in matematics..

I'm Swedish, so do understand that I should be biased towards them.

It is really unfortunate that bds was incapable of following the decisions made. I've read both Godsmurfs, bds and raals comments, and I do think (lika many others) that all three sides where to blame.

But as a ice-hockey referee I understand some of the decisions that godsmurf and crew made. You often have to make calls that arn't completely by the rules, just to get the game flowing. I.E in hockey you won't see the reff giving 2 mins for every offence.

I think it was childish of bds to not try to find a better server, and I do think that he made a wise decision by steping down as captain.

As a final note, Clanbase should really strife to not let crew-members be captains and vice verse...

CB gets more well-liked every year

OMG OMG OMG OMG THE SOLUTION:
I OWN DE KEET 2k! \oo\/o/\\o//\o\/o\o/o\/

.i.

if sweden haddent lied about their pings..........

true

Nope Sadam is to blame, don't u watch the news?

yes officially. but that doesnt mean you cant have influence on other crew members does it ? ... i'm not accusing you of anything or any other crew member for that matter either except blackop for not knowing the meaning of "~", i just wanted to state that you _could_ inofficially.

Is everyone here fucking stupid?! Why complain at the swedes? If the german assholes hadn't broke the rules from the beginning this wouldn't have hapend't. Both teams and Admins had decided to play the first match, but the germans is so lame they came with a lame exuse to not play it, just becouse they didn't have their best team. Sweden didn't either have it, (4 players gone) and they didn't complain. So who's to blame? THE GERMANS!

Ur calculating averages... the truth is that according to ur calculations all swedes would have about 86ms and all germans 35ms - but that's wrong. One of them had a ping of 230 the rest average ping times.
Ergo: on the german server 1 swedish player had a real disadvantage - 4 swedish players had none (or almost none).
on the swedish server 5 german players would have had a real disadvantage.
That means 5 germans minus 1 swede = 4 disadvantaged german players.

Nvahahah CB and Germany sukz :>

Theres only one thing to do.

Replay the match on ONE danish server that suits all.
This will never ever stop if its not done.....

There will be a CS war between Sweden and Germany in the future if its not done....

An ape would have managed the match better then the cb admins did.

first of all sweden was nice enough to reschedule the match:

"The match was scheduled for 18.00 CET the 25th of January. I had my team, map and server ready a long time before 18.00. When I talk to the Clanbase Nations Cup admin and the German players they said that they wanted to play the match the next week instead and that they have been trying to contact me. However I didnt receive anything from them, no mail, no irc messages nor any messages on any of the community-sites I regular visit.

Germany's head-admin raal, was not even at location before the match. So we discussed this with Clanbase and Germany's other admin. The match was ruled to be played, agreed and decided by both Talita (Clanbase head-admin and founder) and Chriz (Clanbase Nations Cup head-admin).

Everything was set to start, Sweden had a team, Germany had a team, we had decided on maps and servers, and the match was (once again) decided to be played. The minute before we are to start raal enters and tells all players to leave the server and forfeit the game. Ok we thought, boring cause we really wanted to play this match.

Rule that covers this behaviour:

http://www.clanbase.com/rules.php?lid=703#mr_general
1. Matches are played 5 on 5. Showing up with less than 5 players is equivalent to a no show and therefore a forfeit loss. Clans short of 1 player may forfeit the first map. They get until 30' after the scheduled starting time of the match to get a full team then.
A few days later I receive a mail from Godsmurf of Clanbase, who is not even responsible for the Nations Cup, stating that the match was to be replayed. Clearly according to the rules, Germany hade already forfeited the game.

The reason because Germany forfeited the game was:

They did not have their best lineup, for the week that was to be played according to Clanbase.
In a small note I want to say that Team Sweden did not use their first lineup in any of our games except vs Finland, vs Austria for example we had four non-starters. We play in this cup for fun and to let other players get a chance to show what they are made of."

and second they did agree on the servers before the match so by all means sweden did have right from the beginning:
"This is what was decided:
<[CB]chR1z`> ok 1st map inferno on 62.80.116.77:27015 pw = swebase
<[CB]chR1z`> 2nd map cbble on 195.58.125.5:27016 pass: mestl0l"

so they did agree AND about bds saying that the ping was ~30 for the swedes isn't bad at all, because 40% of the players did have that ping and 30 ping is very often the ping on swedish servers, and he doesn't have superpowers so he had to do a guess and 30 ping is like stated above very often the way it is.

and then last and most important the advantage for the germans was ALOT GREATER than what it was for the swedes:

"German server:
Sweden = 250 + 4x60 = 490 total ping
Germany = 5x50 = 250
Difference = 240 in favour of Team Germany

Swedish server:
Germany = 5x50 = 250
Sweden 3x10 + 2x30 = 90
Difference = 160 in favour of Team Sweden

So the difference was even better for Germany, even then Clanbase decided that it was an unfair choice, even tough it was already tested before and decided upon."

I think all of this sucks... I mean really are germany so damn afraid to lose? do they have to cheat for it? it's just a game man, germany went too far and screwed up... cya in hell

Ur calculating averages... the truth is that according to ur calculations all swedes would have about 86ms and all germans 35ms - but that's wrong. One of them had a ping of 230 the rest average ping times.
Ergo: on the german server 1 swedish player had a real disadvantage - 4 swedish players had none (or almost none).
on the swedish server 5 german players would have had a real disadvantage.
That means 5 germans minus 1 swede = 4 disadvantaged german players.

Well..Last season in the Opencup we played c58 (russia) and played on a russian server the first map after a lot of discussion. The second map should be played on our server but we had about 5 ping lower (average) than their advantage on their server.
They had 20, we had 80-100.
So the admin (who was later a member of this clan) 'decided' that the the second map should also be played at their server. (kinda like this match)

I mean ... just play one map on your own server, or two maps at an equal server. You both have decend pings, or one clan good ping, and one clan bad ping. This will always be the same, no mather what. I wouldn't have reacted as bds did, but I certainly wouldn't have agreed to play on the German server again.

bds is such a lamer !!!

Read, think and just after that make an opinion...without those yor opinion worth less than shit

LOL so fucking lol...nebb had 240 constatly ping...the germans are i final but they sweds gut thier honor left...sweden had 540 more in ping in totaly-...lam germans

Stop whining about germans.. every team will of course make decisions that favour their own team. It's the CB admins that f***ed up.

Total lack of sportmanship :/
Total lack of leadership :\

As so many ppl allready has stated, you did right Godsmurf. I´m ashamed by the stupid behavior of the swede.

German Server:

Ger: 5x35 = 35
Swe: 4x 50 + 230 = 86
Diff: = 2.46

Sweden Server:

Ger: 2x45 + 3x60 = 54
Swe: 2x6 + 2x15 + 1x20 = 12,4
Diff: = 4,35

Unfair.

Hey, TheKaiser is oldskewl don't criticize him u n00b .

the germans wouldn't have won against the swedes if they were to play with equal ping ... Nebb played with over 200 ping which is unplayable and the germans starts to whine when they've got 50-80 gj germany, all of this just shows that germany is a lousy country that can't play CS

dude they wanted to search server, because they wanted to give Sweden the same advantage as germans had on the other server...Sweden didn't accept it...so what??? it's their decision,not yours,not the germans not CB it's their...you're saying not to accept it was a good reason for the moron admins to do that??? That's gay dude! All respect to everybody but this wasn't supposed to happen like this..

the cb admins and team ger tried to find a fair server. the swedish team captain refused to play fair.

why did he? what would happen if the match if the match continued? 3000 hltv viewers would have seen a tight match (not in a swedes view, because swedens team is filled with unbeatable cs-gods, lol).

sweden acts like a prima donna. the swedes team was offered to continue play on a fair server. they refused, to do so. why is everybody complaining about the admins and team-ger?

if cs wants to be an "e-sport" there should be more respect for the referies.

nebb was too late for server testing, like the rest of team-swe. so its his fault! i think sweden didn't substitute him to have something to flame after the match. "we only lost because of nebbs bad ping ." unfortunatly nebb was with this ping the best of the "scandinavian cs-gods".

mmm... thats how pro gamers are?? u can see the same conflits in a school...

pr0 gamers....

oh forgot to comment on bds cause its so obvious and has been said so many times: ignorant & childish...

anyway GL for the future sweden, looks like you got the best team out there atm... (dont punch me austria/germany ;=)

lol.

Germany , poor attitude as usual, what can you do about them?

First of all, Germany shouldnt whinge about pings , SWEDEN obviously played on your server with out crying their hearts out. They made the score 12-12.

Germany obviously got scared of this , knowing that they would get a severe thrashing on the swedish server , so they used a pathetic excuse to change servers because pings were "too good" for the swedes rofl. Be responsible, be adults ffs, play on whatever server they wish. They played on your dident they?

You lot are even worse and funnier then the old kaiser himself

bds is stupid...
sweden should win the match on any server with a little more "fair" ping than the server de_inferno was played on.
why don't agree with the CB admins?

as a admin myself:

i think godsmurf acted 100% right...

on the other hand i really have to say that BLACKOP made a big misstake here and should appologize...
his comments in the chat log seem very biased towards germany (including smilies towards sweden etc....) and choosing to play the map on the german server again is so stupid...

anyway... at least we got godsmurf among our ranks...

@ raal - its funny complaining about players having 500 kms to go... what happened to sweden last time when you didnt show up???

bad behavior too...

i hope raal will offer the new swedish team captain a rematch soon!

What about traction-control found in Benetton 1994 .
But german are innocent in this conflict, only LOLBASE admins...

nope the truth is found here:

http://www.vatican.va/

Hmm, clanbase is to unfair nowdays. Plz find new admin, that are not insane.

WELCOME TO PRO GAMING

The German Captain raal and the german players tried serveral times to find a server on which the disadvantage for germany would have been the same like it was for the swedish players before.. ! But bds didnt answer only spamming .. so i see no problem .. air judgement from clanbase.. good bye sweden ..

Maybe u should all take some classes in statistics and u'll see that an average doesn't reflect the truth.
All ur calculations are as true as this:
If one car turns left and the other one turns right, statistically (and on average) both went straigth.

Germany where allowed to forfiet the first game cause they had the chance to use thier wildcard.... which was wise as they did not have their top team...

Keep up the good work, has there ever been a right decision, then this is it.

he guy.. thats stupid.. u saif the ping is about ~30 and infront of these fact they only accepted. But as the sweden guys they had a ping less than 10 sometime nearly 3 or 4... THEN -- DO NOT USE MAP BUGS -- also u dont have to pause the game...

And your calculation is just a bad joke..

look at this and not at ur stupid calculation ->



DONT WHINE

lol I read about 10 times "bds couldnt know that 2 of his players were playing at a better connection"

what is bds again?

Eri yes totally agreed.

True True, Michael is a [b]SPEEDCHEATER[/]

German server:
Sweden = 250 + 4x60 = 490 total ping
Germany = 5x50 = 250
Difference = 240 in favour of Team Germany

Swedish server:
Germany = 5x50 = 250
Sweden 3x10 + 2x30 = 90
Difference = 160 in favour of Team Sweden

2x30 = not everyone @ LAN

<[CB]chR1z`> ok 1st map inferno on 62.80.116.77:27015 pw = swebase
<[CB]chR1z`> 2nd map cbble on 195.58.125.5:27016 pass: mestl0l

Chriz = Clanbase Nations Cup head-admin

it says it all, i can't see the f**ng problem here....and oh "the admin made the right decision" ? lol give me a break...i'm talking courruption big time....and one more thing:

Germany's captain raal is also a member of the Clanbase Crew

s*it....and btw don't bother to reply to this cause i'v already made up my mind....BDS you did right...why bother playing in this lame cup.

Why didn't you follow the rules? The German team forfeited the first game? Shouldn't that have been counted as a loss?

So right.. =)

------------------------------------------------

bds wrote:

German server:
Sweden = 250 + 4x60 = 490 total ping
Germany = 5x50 = 250
Difference = 240 in favour of Team Germany

Swedish server:
Germany = 5x50 = 250
Sweden 3x10 + 2x30 = 90
Difference = 160 in favour of Team Sweden

--------------------------------------------------

^^ Those calculations are wrong.....

The Germans forfeitet THE FIRST GAME. How come they got a second chance to get their best team????

Fool.

Germany has a bad rep as cheating in a lot of competitions – Michael Schumacher in F1, Andreas Moller in football, and of course theres ping laming in the Counter-Strike Opencup, but Germany are not to blame this time

Imagine if all these kids would rule the world there would be no war .
1. Because they would be unavailable (like raal and bds)
2. Because one of them would not show up (like germany)
3. Because one of them would come to late (like nebb)
4. Because one of them would get upset and as his mom is not there, we would stop talking to the other kids (like bds)
5. Because one of them would be corrupt and gets all the sweets (not sweeds , like the cb according to bds). So all the other kids would leave because they can't accept not to get any sweets (not sweeds).
6. Because all of them would rather spend hours to post useless and false comments, just like : on how i see things and how bad everyone treats me or no one likes me everyone is against me.
wouldn't it be nice if kids would rule the world?

whine whine whine
typical display of the cs scene here, clanbase rules clearly state if one team doesnt show up in time for the server search the other team gets preference when it comes to servers

All u swede fanboys are lucky allready germany + the admins even accepted the notion of actually playing on matrix server at first , i can state as a fact that wouldnt even have happened in a less important game

Get your heads out of the swedish teams ass , they caused this themselves by showing up late . If you cant even show up in time for a semi final well ...

team swe bought this upon them self and have only their selves to blame, this was a right decision that CB made.

ok now lets see;
German was on time for server discusions where as SWE arrived 20min after the match time...

CB Rules say that a team that shows up late for server testing may be disadvantaged (in this case Sweden hadn't shown up for server testing at all).

Rules are rules... but still SWE where given a chance to look for another swedish server, which is MORE than fair...

and given this option SWE did not even try to look for another swedish server, which the admin presented to them, which they could have easly found giving the same advantage germany had over sweden on the first map....


so well pld sweden for bringing this upon your selves and Good Luck to Germany in the final !

http://www.geekboys.org/bds/sweger.html

The truth about the Clanbase corruption

Courruption part 1

The match between Sweden and Germany in the Clanbase Nations Cup was supposed to be played between the 20th-26th January, this is the rule stating that:

http://www.clanbase.com/rules.php?lid=703#roster
1. A predefined roster determines which match must be played in which week. Group matches are to be played in the week specified in the roster.
The match was scheduled for 18.00 CET the 25th of January. I had my team, map and server ready a long time before 18.00. When I talk to the Clanbase Nations Cup admin and the German players they said that they wanted to play the match the next week instead and that they have been trying to contact me. However I didnt receive anything from them, no mail, no irc messages nor any messages on any of the community-sites I regular visit.

Germany's head-admin raal, was not even at location before the match. So we discussed this with Clanbase and Germany's other admin. The match was ruled to be played, agreed and decided by both Talita (Clanbase head-admin and founder) and Chriz (Clanbase Nations Cup head-admin).

Everything was set to start, Sweden had a team, Germany had a team, we had decided on maps and servers, and the match was (once again) decided to be played. The minute before we are to start raal enters and tells all players to leave the server and forfeit the game. Ok we thought, boring cause we really wanted to play this match.

Rule that covers this behaviour:

http://www.clanbase.com/rules.php?lid=703#mr_general
1. Matches are played 5 on 5. Showing up with less than 5 players is equivalent to a no show and therefore a forfeit loss. Clans short of 1 player may forfeit the first map. They get until 30' after the scheduled starting time of the match to get a full team then.
A few days later I receive a mail from Godsmurf of Clanbase, who is not even responsible for the Nations Cup, stating that the match was to be replayed. Clearly according to the rules, Germany hade already forfeited the game.

The reason because Germany forfeited the game was:

They did not have their best lineup, for the week that was to be played according to Clanbase.
In a small note I want to say that Team Sweden did not use their first lineup in any of our games except vs Finland, vs Austria for example we had four non-starters. We play in this cup for fun and to let other players get a chance to show what they are made of.

Germany also claims that they have emailed me and wanted to reschedule the game, according to this rule:
http://www.clanbase.com/rules.php?lid=703#roster
4. During the match week, any scheduled match, be it scheduled by the clans themselves or by the supervisor, can only be rescheduled if both clans agree on a new date/time in the same match week and if both inform the supervisor of this by email at least 1 day before the original date of the match.
That is only possible if both clans agree. Since I never received anything from Germany I did not agree to anything, and if I would have received anything, I still wouldnt have agreed since we have had a guy going by train to Stockholm just to be able to play that specific game.

Now the interesting claims begin, quote from Godsmurf:
"Germany's claim that they couldn't contact you (Raal says his mail prog filters bounce messages because due to his job at an ISP he gets tons of those every day)."
So raal sent the mail to a non-valid email-address and becuase his mail prog filters bounce messages it is, according to Godsmurf:

My fault that he did not contact me.

Becuase I never received anything (still according to Godsmurf) I agreed to reschedule the game.

When I tried to talk to Godsmurf he had already made his mind up. Although the original match had already been:

Decided by Clanbase to be played.
Forfeited by Germany although they already had a team ready.
So with the very very weird ruling by Clanbase and Godsmurf Team Sweden decided to go on and play the match the next week, we are still in it for the fun.

Corruption part 2
2nd February and the second match is to be played. Germany with their first lineup on LAN (the reason why they wanted to reschedule and forfeit the first game). Sweden with three non-starters all spread out in Sweden.

The players, the team captains and the Clanbase Nations Cup admins decided the match to be played on two servers cause of the ping issues and problem to find a neutral server. We tried a few servers and we came to a mutual agreement.

UPDATE:

We discussed and agreed on servers a long time before the match (starting at 19.00).
raal even sent his players to the matrix server to try it out and they confirmed that it was good and accepted to play on it.
I suggested a neutral server in Denmark, but it was decided two servers were going to be used.
This is what was decided:
<[CB]chR1z`> ok 1st map inferno on 62.80.116.77:27015 pw = swebase
<[CB]chR1z`> 2nd map cbble on 195.58.125.5:27016 pass: mestl0l

When Swedish player Nebb, who was a little late, joined the server he had a terrible ping, solid 250 which is unplayable (the Half-Life net code does a great job til about 100). But since we already had agreed on servers, it was not much we could do.

Explained in this rule:

http://www.clanbase.com/rules.php?lid=703#before
8. Once a server has been decided upon, either by the clans or by the admin, this decision stands for the entire match; a clan can not demand a server change or more server testing later on. The server decision can only be changed if both clans agree, or if the connections to the server have changed drastically for several players.
So we played on the German server, did a great job scoring 12-12. Now it was time to play on the Swedish server. All of a sudden Germany refused to play on the server stating that its a too big ping difference.

According to the rule above the server can only be changed if both clans agree or if the connections to the server have changed drastically, which they had not, they were the same for both teams when we tried them and mutually agreed.

The ping issue was not that Germany had a too high ping, but that Sweden had a too low. Here is a quick calculation of the pings.

German server:
Sweden = 250 + 4x60 = 490 total ping
Germany = 5x50 = 250
Difference = 240 in favour of Team Germany

Swedish server:
Germany = 5x50 = 250
Sweden 3x10 + 2x30 = 90
Difference = 160 in favour of Team Sweden

So the difference was even better for Germany, even then Clanbase decided that it was an unfair choice, even tough it was already tested before and decided upon.

Now we all in Team Sweden felt that this was becoming a big joke. We have all been spending a lot of time over the last Nations Cups to prepare, practise and do our best job to win every match fair and square.

Team Sweden's mutual agreement was that either we played on the Swedish server as decided by the players, the capatains and the admins and according to the rules was not possible to change, since German even had a better ping difference on the Swedish server than vice versa.

Godsmurf still forced us to change server. When we wanted to follow the rules and decisions Godsmurf ruled that we had forfeited the match.

When a tournament that is created to be a fun thing for players and fans turns into something heavily corrupted I and the whole Team Sweden feel that the fun is long gone.

More courruption?
Germany's captain raal is also a member of the Clanbase Crew

Final words
I still want to thank Talita and Clanbase for overall doing a great job, Clanbase has helped many players, clans and esports itself to become something much bigger than we could ever expect!

I will also resign as captain of Team Sweden.


--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Andreas "bds" Thorstensson
former Team Sweden captain
Schroet Kommando captain

who gives a shit

a non-swede, non-german spectator wrote:

"a neutral calculation of the pings:
1st server
sweden: 4x60/4=60 (the 250 is not calculated because of the player being late for ping-testing)
germany:5x50/5=50
60-50= 10 ping difference for germany"

"the 250 is not calculated because of the player being late for ping-testing"

Eh... you have to calculate, cause he PLAYED!!!

I've got an hltv demo, I saw the German's pings... the average was about 40 in their server...

Insomnia:

I think the rule is superior to everything... It's serve as a basis for the CB.... - that's my own opinion..

We want to be first in Europe. How mamy money (or other stuff) we should brings to you, Godsmurf?

I cant realy say that i know what to think... But rules are rules anf rules should be followed. So i cant understand why not to play at the swedish server?

But i must say that i don't understand bds behaivor either... They could have played at a danish server with reversed pings and belive me; Sweden would have kicked Germans ass

let me tell u sth about corruption in the past...

i'm from Slovenia...i played q2.. clan (MvP) , Z mostly..

there was a lot of this corruption shit in Q2 about pings
and servers and etc... and i esspecialy remember German Team..
and totally same problems with ping and all, only, nobody would listen to us, cause Slovenia is not so known country..(dont remember name of competitions, but i can ask).. the thing is
german hardly beat us on muuuuuuch better conditions,( we even won 1 map...german team was i think: zyz, deblade,ghost, ...) but we lost we fell out...
and later on.. they were second(not sure) in europe (beating finns in semi-finals) ..played final with swe (dont remember who won)

so i have really bad experience with this ping shit , and such a corruption, and well well well.. again.. Germans ..
some things never change.. i'm very glad that they have now problems with country like Sweden , ... i'm very happy, for ppl to know, that some germans are such a "cheaters",
playing dirty games... unfortunalty, that some are the "best"(really ?) in country....

btw we all know that clanbase is dead. So why are u all trying to argue, clanbase is fucked up since admins are friends or something.

http://www.geekboys.org/bds/sweger.html
GG CB

and ppl wonder y no1 takes cb seriously

bds might be a lil bit annoyed when sayin matrix server or fuck all but he is 100% right

what were the cb admins gonna do find a server where 1 of the ger team had a ping of 250 and every1 had the exact reverse ping as on the mouz server..... i think not

maybe cb shud get sum admins who can understand english better than a chimp and who aint biased...

gg admins...losers

*** sweden has been gayed by germany ***

If you were Admin, would you really decide for a guy, who is not even interrested in what you are saying and is only spamming or for a guy, who tries to find a solutions towards the problem. I think a bit sportmanship and friendlyness of bds and we would have seen a nice 2nd half yesterday.

There are Refferres in sports, and they decide and this is what you have to accept. So if esport wants to be a sport, this must be done the same way.

I think, next times there must be a server discussion long time before the game, where all players are available and then they decide for one server. In games of such a high interrest this must be possible.

It's very sad that this game hasn't been decided on the field.

[/quote]
Here you go (quotet from sogamed):

Germany: 50*4 = 200
Sweden: 60*4 = 240

NOW YOU HAVE TO DIVIDE WITH 4 (PLAYERS)...

GER: Ping 50 - SWE: Ping 60

Matrix Server (BDS said Ping ~30), I saq 4 players with a lower ping than 10!

Ger: 60*4 = 240
Swe: 10*4 = 40

Ger: Ping 60 - Swe: Ping 10

See the difference?

Like BDS wrote: "According to the rule above the server can only be changed if both clans agree or if the connections to the server have changed drastically"

But if he calculates the ping HIS way he will always get results like that which say that Swe had the disadvantage...[/quote]

h0h0h0h man... Swe ping on matrix server = 2 people on Lan @ matrix so the had a ping of 10 the rest off the swedish players pinged like 25-35 and the germans had a ping of 45 - 50 NOT 60 !!

Ger: 50*4 = 200
Swe: 2*10 + 2*30 = 80

Ger: Ping 50 - Swe: Ping 20

Difference = 30
and your difference was 10 on the first server... But everbody plz note that sweden did just play with 4 players first map altough Neeb ówning everbody in the last round as T I dont think that is is fare that 5 germans have a playeble ping anf only 4 swedes. And once more whats the big difference between 10 - 30 and all germans hade like 45!?!

hey Godsmurf:



Jesus, wasn t it obvious that he meant ALL 5 swedish palyers TOGETHER have ping 30???
;-)))

omg 400 replys

"The match admin decided that *Sweden's advantage on this server would be a lot bigger than Germany's advantage had been on the first server*"

Buheheheh, LOL-BASE bullshit

this situation started with GER cancelling the game the week before on too short a notice (IF u follow the rules)

that didnt get punished , sweden did get punished ... thats whats bothering me

Godsmurf it says in the rules that ones the servers had been decided then it couldn't be changed. Bds was only following the rules and you were not. gg.

Clanbase is totally fucked up.. go screw and dont destroy our cs-world!

Admins > Your mama can't be proud, to have somethinh like u in her family.. ^^ Bullet in the forhead?

CB are just lame. The germans accepted to play on the swedish server ffs

Fuck clanbase....this shit sucks...hope you all in cb will jst go and die.....fucking bitches...and the admin at cb is fucking german...ffs....corruption...fuck clanbase...it's sucks

Bdss should have accepted Server but STILL. ffs Sweden is Best Cs Nation. And 1 match on German server should restart.

im from sweden and we are used 2 very good ping but this is just silly

the following nc matches should be played in LAN environments (Finals & Semi-Finals).
so no team can complain about pings.
both nations as well as cb did some mistakes in this 'match'.
only bds did show some great skills in abusing: talking swedish, corrupt cb, cb admins = morons (dont understand english, cant calculate)
the players of both nations did try to find a server to FIGHT. the cb admins & raal & bds (dont know which the most) did fuck up the whole game
and to all the great mathematicans:
you do NOT calculate the average. you do something like:
4 babies (age: 1) and the grandmother (age: 90) are in one room. so the average is 94/5 = ~19 so a person outside this room will think inside will be 5 nice hot looking chicks.
the ping of nebb did fuck up all average calculations.

when sweden realy wanted to play the match fair, they should helped to find a server where the ping are reverse of german server. nebb had a fucking connection, and why does sweden get better prepared for this game ? the date was forced on monday and the game was played on sunday. this are 6 days and in this day ist is not very difficult du get a team. also sweden wasn ready at 20.00 for server-search and bds gave raal wrong information about the pings of sweden. the bad ping of nebb is only NEBB´S FAULT !

Sweden are such jerks.

CS = teh suck :/

GodSmurf ownz y'all !

stupid swedish people think they are everything with their conn :P

i think bds is beeing a bit unfair. there should be equal rights

Now if we look at all the calculations, i dont know which ones are right, but i dont feel u can just ad ping up, and then say thats the difference. You need to look at the relative advantage, not the absolute. One can might argument that ping will demand an absolute view, but I cant see why
So if you look on the bds argument you will find the following:

"German server:
Sweden = 250 + 4x60 = 490 total ping
Germany = 5x50 = 250
Difference = 240 in favour of Team Germany"

= (5x50)/5 = 50 the germans average ping
(4x60+250)/5 = 98
Meaning the ping of swe was 98/50 = 1.96 times higher

And if my understanding of the rules are correct the swe dude with ping 250 shouldnt be in the calculation(something about not caring if one and only one player has a high ping) meaning that the ping was only 60/50 = 1,2 times higher.

If we proceed to the swe server then

"Swedish server:
Germany = 5x50 = 250
Sweden 3x10 + 2x30 = 90
Difference = 160 in favour of Team Sweden"

Once again Germany has a 50 average ping. Sweden has the following:
(3x10+2x30)/5 = 18

This mean that ping for the germans were on average 50/18 = 2,77 times higher on the swe server.

Anyways im not swede or german, and i dont even play the game but this was just my 2 cent

you guys trying to calculate about the advantage of Germany and so on are all wrong.. you cant calculate with the 250 ping guy because it is HIS problem.. not the problem of Clanbase or Germany or someone else.. and if you only calculate with the pings of the 4 best players you get other results.

Here you go (quotet from sogamed):

Germany: 50*4 = 200
Sweden: 60*4 = 240

NOW YOU HAVE TO DIVIDE WITH 4 (PLAYERS)...

GER: Ping 50 - SWE: Ping 60

Matrix Server (BDS said Ping ~30), I saq 4 players with a lower ping than 10!

Ger: 60*4 = 240
Swe: 10*4 = 40

Ger: Ping 60 - Swe: Ping 10

See the difference?

Like BDS wrote: "According to the rule above the server can only be changed if both clans agree or if the connections to the server have changed drastically"

But if he calculates the ping HIS way he will always get results like that which say that Swe had the disadvantage...

Nothing close to a fair decision because there is no fair decision. If both parties are so immature that they can't reach an agreement, fuck them, give the win to Austria. EOT.

move along - nothing to see here.......

I get 5 ping on jolt - its anything but LAN conditions - much ado about nothing - lots of spectators have been let down by all involved.

"simulary servers" So then the germans should have had 1 player with 250 in ping and 4 with 60 i´n ping and swedene should have a ping around 45..Offcourse sweden demanded a server avantage for the secound map. Yeeah play on Dynamic Crew´s server and everybody would have gotten about the same ping but FFS u cant do that after a map where german have had a big advantage beacuse of the server!!

I'd think that at the age of 24 one should understand the term "corruption".

"Yeah, wtf cb is corrupted, cause when we paused 2yrs ago in the middle of the round they didn't do anything to us".

lol to all swedes who say germany sucks or smth

It was CB's decission to give sweden a forteit loss, not germany's

Sux, this aint the way its suppose to happen

yeah austria will beat germany now

I completly agree with bds.. !

(4x60+1x250)/5 vs. (5x30)/5
gives:
98 vs. 30 on German server.
It give's (98/30)=3,27 of advantage.

And on swedish server:
((2*15)+(2*20)+(1*10))/5 vs. (5*30)/5
gives:
16 vs. 30
It give's (30/16)=1,88 of advantage.

I think 2nd map should by played on nearest
possible time and to stop all this corruption
discution's match admin should be to replaced.

I fully agree with bds

Why did not an singe Clanbase Admin test the servers?

"When the teams went to the other server to play the second map, it turned out that the Swedish players pinged 10 there, rather than 30. The German pings ranged from 40 (one player) to 80 (two players). On average Germany's ping on this server would be more than 4 times higher than that of Sweden, who would be playing in near LAN conditions. "

Good u are at calculation, try go to school and learn something. Here are the real calculation:

German server:
Sweden = 250 + 4x60 = 490 total ping
Germany = 5x50 = 250
Difference = 240 in favour of Team Germany

Swedish server:
Germany = 5x50 = 250
Sweden 3x10 + 2x30 = 90
Difference = 160 in favour of Team Sweden

GG Clanbase.

corruption isn't new in CB ...

plz, thouse cb admins = german spectators if not... then their fucked up

Would Germany have finished the first with a result like + 10 wins they would have accepted the Swedish server...but no! They were fucking afraid!

why did they clanbase rescheduled the match?

clanbase admins = overtaxed !

and fuck this lame team-ger, swe would own them on LAN!

ROFL..

Its an online competition the actual nature of that is not fair.

I mean forget the connections what about the pc specs, if u want fair go play at a lan.

Pretty lame attitude from the germans shock horror on that one.

Any online competition is a joke these days so cue the clowns.

Ping is important in online gaming, at least for fps games.
The only smart thing to do in official matches is to let the teams choose 1 server each and then stick to that. The only added rule sould be something like: "if 20% of the players in one team have worse ping than xxx the server cant be used" where xxx is the highest ping considered fair (from these discussions it looks like about 60).
But then again ping can be faked so I still think there should be no addings to these rules.
"Let the teams choose 1 server each and then stick to that"
Cant belive the admins havent figured that 1 out. Server testing here and there, it only takes time and gives ppl a reason to start whining.

If this thing has grown so big why dont you just replay the game again. Obviously CB could bend the rules when GER refused to play even though they had players the first week.
About BDS giving response so late that the admins had to force the game before GER had time to answer, again its CB rules. Learn from your mistakes and change it if it doesnt work. Simple as that. And remember its for fun. Glory and showing of skills are nice aswell but the fun is the most important factor so from that point of view whining from any reason are stupid.

would you plz respond to that sput ?

buhahahahhahaha B.U.L.L.S.H.I.T !

silly CS-players. Its just a game. :>

100% agree

SO how many where you germens at lan to make this possible
The German pings ranged from 40 (one player) to 80 (two players).

[we werent all in lan :>
at least todi played from home with adsl]
Still isnt possible SPut

1st The German team accepted the server before the war... You know the rules dont you?

2nd Nice match Clanbase, you won

i'll try to make a neutral sum-up of the events:

screw-ups by Sweden and bds:
- nebb being late for ping-testing -> the 250 on 1st server is fully the swedes fault
- bds spamming and being childish on irc instead of trying to convince the admins based upon facts
- bds guessing the pings on matrix server to be around 30 and not actually testing them.

screw-ups by CB:
- I find the admins not responding to nebbs calculations of the pings in the irc-log to be just as offensive as bds' spamming. They could have shown the players their own calculations and tried to talk about the pings referring to facts.
- referring to bds' ping-estimate of ~30 as being totally wrong.
it was not THAT bad of an estimate.
- not forcing the rules they have. Germany should have lost this game by forfeit in the first attempt. Not having the best line-up is no excuse. (I understand that people want to see these games and CB wants to give them to them and many times the admins have to bend the rules in order to get the games actually played. The abuse of these circumstances by teams/players is the cause of all this hassle. The only way to solve this would be to follow the rules very strictly everytime in every game - even though it would lead to a few unfortunate forfeit matches.)

screw-ups by team-germany:
- the forfeit of the first game attempt
- raal not handling his eMail program and causing misunderstandings
- a true sportman would have stated that they would happily play on the matrix server, because the swedes already played the first-half with one player having 250-ping, and germany had had the game rescheduled for a better date against the rules - ending up playing from LAN with the best line-up against swedens 2nd team wich was not on LAN. Also they had already caused a lot of troubles for team-sweden by forfeiting the first game (travelling to stockholm and losing the LAN they had prepared for the actual game-date.)

a neutral calculation of the pings:
1st server
sweden: 4x60/4=60 (the 250 is not calculated because of the player being late for ping-testing)
germany:5x50/5=50
60-50= 10 ping difference for germany

matrix server
sweden: 10x3+2x30/5=16
germany: 5x50/5=50
50-16= 34 ping difference for sweden

34-10=24 in favor of the team-sweden
* if bds' estimate of ~30 would have been correct the difference would have been 10 in favor of team-sweden.

conclusion: The main problem seems to be the discussion of the pings and at least the irc-log shows that no actual argumentation and reasonable talk was happening during the map change. The sides calculating pings in a different way lead to this: The admins simply stated that the pings were too much in favor of the swedes and the swedes calculated that the pings were in favor of the germans. This problem should have been talked out and the second half of the game could have been played. I find all the participants equally responsible for the mess, because of the failure to communicate.

LUL AND MIRC LOGS ARENT ALLOWED AS EVIDENCE ON CLANBASE. WHAT IS THIS THEN? hahahehe. . . .. . iaf inte när det blir bråk i vanliga fall. jag äger

Maybe my ears are full of **** but this is what I'm 'hearin' from the logs:

"OK we have 2000 pplz waiting and have agreed on the next server. Whattayasay, lets try to find a server where 4 guys have 60 ping, one guy on the same team lags like shit, the other team have ping 40. And btw, by doing this we will be breaking a number of rules we set up, but wtf we wrote those in the first place. Do you still wanna play?"

"No..."

"OK YOU'RE OUTTA HERE!"

Rules:

Server negotiations should proceed like this:
The clans take turn proposing a server. Proposing a server does not create the obligation to accept it.
The IP/pw of the proposed server is put in the topic.
ALL players of both clans join the proposed server immediately and without any discussion.
On the server all players join their team and immediately make sure they have the proper settings for server testing.
All players stay on the server until the match admin gives them permission to go back to IRC.
The match admin makes a note about how good both clans' connections to the server are before giving the clans permission to return to irc.
On IRC the other clan now proposes a server and the procedure is repeated.
The procedure is repeated until the clans agree on a server, until all possible servers have been tested or until the scheduled match time has been reached.

Conclusion:

false information or not. All players and admins should have checked the server in advance of the game. CB admins/supervisors messed up.

I've been a EuroCup admin for one season (EC V) and I always checked the proposed servers with the players. In that case nobody could wine about pingaverage and such. All the matches I attended progressed without any problems and after the match there was no discussion about the result of the match.
Clearly the supervisors/admins nowadays dont take there own rules very serious. IF they checked the servers in advance there would have been no problem.

I understand pre-game there was agreed on those two servers to play on. The match SHOULD have continued on the matrix server.

Respect for bds for making this decission.

seems to me that your captain says that evert german player were in lan!
23:15:23 <raal[DE]> my pla<yers have still 500 km to go today...

OMFG! Post the whole statement of BDS instead and we will all see WHY bds keep on saying that over and over again. German punk...

Godsmuft just keep on ignoring Nebbs explenation about the ping, which showed that it would be as much advatage for Sweden as Germany had had the first map. CORRUPTION IS NO THNX! Lameassed germans and FU CB! FU!...

but sweden was too late 5 mints so the teams can test the servers and bds dont tell that his guys play from lane and now have ping 10 on this server -normal 30-40-

so what ?
sweden was unfair and like kiddis
right to kick them out the cup

I think it was no lie! Not all 5 players had a low ping and sometimes it pings low and in the next second it pings higher...

I think match should be replayed since clanbase admins might have done a mistake. However bds shouldn't be allowed to play in rematch due to his unsportmanship.

nice said

Clanbase are lame and corrupt.

I think the servers was agreed from both sides BEFORE the match started. So if both sides agreed for servers , why look for third server "for more equal conditions" ??

IMHO , CB admin ruled a very strange decission in favor of GER team.

Cya

yes you've made your point in those 10 post which state exactly the same , no need to start fake nicking and add another 10

thx.

hehe, i´m sure bds spent the whole night thinking about every single word

I'm a CS freak from Germany and I'm really sorry for the Swedish Team to loose a game this way.
I think this HalfFinal didn't started well and ended in a Fiasco. The fairest Decision you could have made would have been immediatly stop the Game and started it over again on a server where both teams would have had the nearly SAME pings.

I can't follow either of both teams decisions ... neither bds nor godsmurf.

So why don't repeat this whole thing under absolute fair conditions for both teams ????
So the Germans could show how good they are and whipe Swedens ass <img src='http://www.clanbase.com:8000/smiley6.gif' border='0' width='16' height='16' align=absbottom> ....

Just my 2 cents <img src='http://www.clanbase.com:8000/smiley5.gif' border='0' width='16' height='16' align=absbottom>

it's just a game?!!!

Rules or not he lied about the server sothe agreement is false..

23:14:41 <SK|bdss> [11:01:05] <SK|bdss> we are playing on matrix or not at all
23:14:42 <SK|bdss> [11:01:06] <SK|bdss> final
23:14:43 <SK|bdss> 9th time

LÖL 9th Time he is a kiddi

Admins of ClanBase was wrong and you have to agree with that. ClanBase are supporting Germans and we know that. But not in that way please.

That is damm right! He should be kicked out of this amateur league. Cant the esl provide the nations cup? I think clanbase is a bit (a big bit) overtaxed with this "task". The whole game was just a joke and I even dont know why they rescheduled the match.

Just have a look at

http://www.geekboys.org/bds/sweger.html

and u will unterstand.

23:14:16 <[CB]Godsmurf> we are gonna stop discussing now, I have a simple question: Sweden, do you agree to TRY find a server where pings are reversed from the first server, or do you forfeit
23:14:21 <SK|bdss> [11:01:05] <SK|bdss> we are playing on matrix or not at all
23:14:21 <SK|bdss> [11:01:06] <SK|bdss> final
23:14:24 <SK|bdss> 8th time


... bds you are lame
a

lol@bds

The German team accepted the server before the war... I think you read the RULES...

dude they wanted to search server, because they wanted to give Sweden the same advantage as germans had on the other server...Sweden didn't accept it...so what??? it's their decision,not yours,not the germans not CB it's their...you're saying not to accept it was a good reason for the moron admins to do that??? That's gay dude! All respect to everybody but this wasn't supposed to happen like this..

23:12:40 <[CB]Godsmurf> if we can find a server where pings are reversed we will play there
23:12:46 <SK|bdss> [11:01:05] <SK|bdss> we are playing on matrix or not at all

LÖLÖLÖL BDs is like a Baby HAHAHAH
Lamnes rulzzz =)

thatz kinda funny :P it sayes everyting :P the swe team had less advantage on the swe server than the ger on the gerserver :P

Also,this reminds me of the EuroCup with SK.swe..
Same Team, Same Countery, Same Lame-nees from one direction :<

cs players havent much expierence with equal servers :>

don't think so. CB shouldn't make so drastic decision. its not a country ladder match but a NC match. you should find a better solution.
bds acted very unmature but so did the CB admins and GER players/CL.
I think that 1 more reschedule wouldn't hurt anybody. unless GER won't agree.

(Nebb) i cant believe your doing this
(Nebb) insanity
(Nebb) our entire team had 60 ping except for my 250
(Nebb) they hade 30
(Nebb) thats a 30 ping difference if u count me out
(Nebb) now we will have 15, and not even ALL of us
(Nebb) and the germans 40-50
([CB]blackop) we discussed this matter with few crew members, and sups, and the match will be played entirely on the first server
([CB]blackop) that server is forced from now
([CB]blackop) it had equal pings, except you
(Nebb) LOL
(Nebb) EQUAL PINGS?
([CB]blackop) but since you kicked 4 guys with 250ping, it cant be that bad
([CB]blackop) and now get on the server
([CB]blackop) that's my and cb's final word


OMG .... Clanbase so ridiculous ....
poor admins

23:09:31 <SK|bdss> its very simple
23:09:33 <SK|bdss> either we play at matrix
23:09:35 <raal[DE]> 193.178.175.140:27001 <.. erm that one was ~20 for swe and ~40 for germany?
23:09:36 <SK|bdss> or we dont play at all
23:09:39 <[CB]Godsmurf> we don't play at matrix
23:09:42 <SK|bdss> then we dont play
23:09:47 <[CB]Godsmurf> the rest is up to you: play fair or forfeit
23:09:50 <SK|bdss> no match


LÖL
this is so lame

"When fame gets to much in your head, it will infect yourself with arrogantie" - Pappy-R

23:09:23 <SK|bdss> godsmurf: you dont seem to understand, do you know english at all?

LÖL BDS is sooo lame ... unbelivable

23:08:28 <[CB]blackop> lets just try to find equal server
23:08:33 <[CB]Godsmurf> sweden, are you even interested in trying to play a fair match? if yes, help us find a server where germany has a similar disadvantage as you had
23:08:34 <SK|bdss> aknot: leave?
23:08:36 <mTw|koj> 213.171.64.196 - timeout
23:08:43 <SK|bdss> godsmurf: ok I say it the 5th time
23:08:43 <Nebb> godsmurf
23:08:43 <SK|bdss> [11:01:05] <SK|bdss> we are playing on matrix or not at all
23:08:44 <SK|bdss> [11:01:06] <SK|bdss> final

Sweden is LÖL

CB and the german Team search for fair servers but Sweden ... oh my its soo lame from Team Sweden

Read this http://www.geekboys.org/bds/sweger.html and everyone will know that CB dosen´t go by the rules that they
made....

:|

23:08:28 <[CB]blackop> lets just try to find equal server
23:08:33 <[CB]Godsmurf> sweden, are you even interested in trying to play a fair match? if yes, help us find a server where germany has a similar disadvantage as you had
23:08:34 <SK|bdss> aknot: leave?
23:08:36 <mTw|koj> 213.171.64.196 - timeout
23:08:43 <SK|bdss> godsmurf: ok I say it the 5th time
23:08:43 <Nebb> godsmurf
23:08:43 <SK|bdss> [11:01:05] <SK|bdss> we are playing on matrix or not at all
23:08:44 <SK|bdss> [11:01:06] <SK|bdss> final

heh lol

23:08:28 <[CB]blackop> lets just try to find equal server
23:08:33 <[CB]Godsmurf> sweden, are you even interested in trying to play a fair match? if yes, help us find a server where germany has a similar disadvantage as you had
23:08:34 <SK|bdss> aknot: leave?
23:08:36 <mTw|koj> 213.171.64.196 - timeout
23:08:43 <SK|bdss> godsmurf: ok I say it the 5th time
23:08:43 <Nebb> godsmurf
23:08:43 <SK|bdss> [11:01:05] <SK|bdss> we are playing on matrix or not at all
23:08:44 <SK|bdss> [11:01:06] <SK|bdss> final


LÖL SWEDEN IS MORE THAN LAME

Lets not forget one thing; blackop was the admin in charge right ? (before godsmurf got involved (why he did,I do not know)

this was blackops ruling:

(Nebb) i cant believe your doing this
(Nebb) insanity
(Nebb) our entire team had 60 ping except for my 250
(Nebb) they hade 30
(Nebb) thats a 30 ping difference if u count me out
(Nebb) now we will have 15, and not even ALL of us
(Nebb) and the germans 40-50
([CB]blackop) we discussed this matter with few crew members, and sups, and the match will be played entirely on the first server
([CB]blackop) that server is forced from now
([CB]blackop) it had equal pings, except you
(Nebb) LOL
(Nebb) EQUAL PINGS?
([CB]blackop) but since you kicked 4 guys with 250ping, it cant be that bad
([CB]blackop) and now get on the server
([CB]blackop) that's my and cb's final word


He wanted to force swe to play both maps on GEr serverrs, not look for a neutral one.
He should be stripped of his admin status,based on that logg.

HAHAH godsmurf and the hole cb is fucking idiots that hate sweden go and suck dick mfuckers!!!

Sweden dosnt need to play the match...we all ready know we are the world champions...btw we will be back in the next Nations Cup and kick ass... GG admins @ Clanbase....

disapointed at cb thought this gamingcommunity was better than this....

$uX ClanBase corruption ! I'm a german but i think that it's unfair ! Ger are u happy now ? we played like gays ...
full respect Swe Team ...
fuck da c0RRuPtI0N !
http://www.geekboys.org/bds/sweger.html

when the game was scheduled someone here said:
"i was the first to sign in to become admin of this match. i´m really looking forward to it"

rofl

http://www.geekboys.org/bds/sweger.html

I'd say Godsmurf is pwned. Rules are rules.
Can't see any sportmanship on Godsmurfs side.
And this is just my toughts. I dont know him.

You're not right!If you have 30 ping it's a catastrophy...I wonder why didn't they have problems with the german server? 'cause on that one they had much bigger ping the on the swedish one(around 50,if i remember right)

guess it was the onlyway for CB to get another nation to win this year if the swe team thinks it is fucked up they have tha right to forfeit that is better than loosing then whining... guess we have to tell ouer ISPs to get the pign up abit its not like we can help we have good pings you should whine on the german ISPs that they had crappay ping on thair own server I cannor see how that can be unfair to play on the second server when the ping diffrence is that small and the 3x thingy i crap me would rather play and have 40ping and the opponents 15 than 60 vs 30 its liek sayting that it is the same dissadvantage if one team has 3ping and the other had 15 versus one hane 50 the other 150 the way most fairest way to count is rela ping diffrence

bds and team sweden only LOL
they are sooo lame ...
no comment
next time a nations cup without bds

Now... I am neither German nor Swedish.

I guess it is a very difficult task to be an admin. An admin must stay unbiased whatever his nationality. In this case it is almost impossible to give the right decision. Swedes do have a very strong point - they scored 12:12 on a server picked by the German team, they did have a player pinging 250, they did give a server before the match and that server was accepted by the cb team. The CB has a point too - the Swedish team was late, they gave the incorrect information about their pings, they refused to find another one...

Now, I believe that the Swedish side are right about CB breaking their own rules - once a server is decided, no changes are made. CB is right however that the pings were different from those given by bds (based on his assumptions). CB tried to make it fair by breaking the rule. Is it so hard to understand? You can say that Nebb pinged 250 and the Swedes didn't complain. That is true, they agreed to play with a big ping disadvantage, hence they expected the CB to abide by the rules and accept the matrix server - I think that it is easy to understand. On the second hand, however, the Swedish team was late, had they been on time, I believe they wouldn't have agreed to play on the 1st server. You can blame Swedes for being late and I guess that it is the only thing they did wrong, not accepting to change the 2nd server is perfectly clear to me.

In future, CB should:
1) wait until all players are on irc and let all players test the servers
2) forfeit the match if not all players are on irc 1hr before the match (that is somewhat extreme, but it would close the case once and for all)

If you take part in a cup, you HAVE to believe that the admins are doing their best to suit everyone's needs and expectations, otherwise what is the point in playing?

There is no good decision, grow up and understand that. Bds could have tried to find another server but didn't - you can blame him for not being able to put his reasons aside. The Germans, looking at the score knew that the match was lost with Swedes pinging 10-30, so they refused to play on matrix server.

I don't know what I would have done in this case, everything you can do is shut up and accept the decision. We're all just humans, so are cb admins.

PS My own decision would be to force Germany play on matrix server.

Bsd, you are lame because you can fuck the LOLBASE admins and still won the match.
And you screwed it. LOLADMINS screwed it too (and more) but you are SWE cpt. and can behaved more fairly that LOLBASE admins.

means 'approximately 30' (a bit more or less)

Or perhaps they weren't all in lan? Farfetched I know, a possibility left ill-conceived It would've been fun to see this thread without all these useless flameposts, but untill that happens we'll have to put up with the collective immature shame of the community once again.

take care/take a beer,
-Retail

I didn't read all of the comments below because theres just too many, but most of the comments that are 'for' sweden seem to state that the ping difference is greater.

10 ping is not only 3 x better than 30 ping, in fact, it is a t least twice as good. You have to realize that 10 ping is perfect LAN conditions, and it is always 100x easier to aim in LAN conditions than online. Furthermore, 30 ping and 50 ping aren't that much different if you try them both. But as soon as the pings get lower than 15, there is a significant change.

Now I understand that bds took a guess on the ping as 30, but the reality is that he did not state the proper ping of Sweden, AND team sweden came to the server checking late. Therefore Team Sweden can only blame themselves for coming late and bds for being stubborn, and not willing to play on a more neutral servers. Furthermore, about Nebb's ping, Sweden has 18 possible players. I don't understand how hard it can be to field another player to play instead of Nebb in order to get a fair match.

Call me biased if u want, but after reading bds childish behaviour from the log, and reading his own statement which leaves out EVERY SINGLE DETAIL WHICH MAKES HIM LOOK BAD, i can only be on Germanys side, who at least tried to solve this matter with clanbase like adults, unlike bds.

I am a german, and I have to say sorry for our people. I think the sweden are in right

it means approximately 30

then again anyone with any sense knows that ping of 10 and ping of 30 is negligible advantage which makes part of the CB argument so confusing...

@vinzo: ~ means approximately

ppl seem to forget that germany only agreed to the matrix server cause bds talked about ~30 ping when in reality it was ~10.

Why don't you just remove the rules since you clearly don't care shit for them

totally agree with you ( and i am NOT swedish )

one thing is absolutely clear: bds had the choice if sweden loses without playing or not. he chose forfeit loss. i know that the swedish fans are angry but why dont u blame bds??

All is too difficult to CB LOL-admins...

another thing

germany didnt wonna play on a server where they pinged 50 vs 10, but they would have played on a "symmetric" server where one of them would have pinged +200 and the others 80 vs 35 for the swedes ???

rofl

if you believe that crap you gotta be retarded

@ hale: afaik the pings on the first server were 5*40 for the germans and 4*65+1*230 for the swedes

To difficult as you can see....

[19:30] (SK|bdss) ~30

doesn't that means ping 30 and lower ?

v good statement, Sweden seems to be acting pretty lame. Then again, the chance of them winning this cup is probably lower than that of them winning the last, of course they'll moan - still lameee.

FU CB

Totally agree with that!

How can we stop this...... I hope some good CB admin will see the fault that have been made,,, so they can play the game like it was meant too be... 1 GERMAN SERVER AND 1 SWEDISH!!
How difficult is that,,,?? =(

Let them to play again on totally neutral serve

haha quality <img src='http://www.clanbase.com:8000/smiley4.gif' border='0' width='16' height='16' align=absbottom>

Your way to explain the ping differences was just lame and totally wrong..
Bad f*cking admins @ CB

LOLBASE

k so let me summarize all this

2 servers are agreed upon

first map gets played on german server
pings :
germany : around 35
sweden : 4 around 80 , 1 around +200
game gets played
no whining

second map has to be played on swedisch server
pings :
germany : around 50
sweden : around 10

ask ANYONE who plays cs which team had the ping advantage in this game and they will say germany
cuz +200 ping equals warping around doing shit
while ping 50 is totally normal and playable

now the admins reaction : "oh no , you ping 10 instead of 30 like you said , bad bad server !! we must find another one"

i mean common, it's so obvious sweden got screwed ( by an admin who doenst even play cs , let alone understand which ping is playable and which ping is not )!

do you even believe what you're saying or are you just trying to save your pride ?

and no sput im not swedisch
i just wonna see a good final between the two strongest teams ( mark the word STRONGEST! )
not between austria and a team who tied when playing with one player more and refused to play with ping 50 ...

Godsmurf it says in the rules that ones the servers had been decided then it couldn't be changed. Bds was only following the rules and you were not. gg.

easy :

you set a very low value for "rate" , like 500... like german player so ur ping raise and the clanbase crew give you a forfeit win.

Why wasn't the second half played on one of those found danish servers? I'm pretty sure that even if the pings weren't as it was said they were it wouldn't be too hard to get a danish one where they would be. I thought a fair ping is what both sides would want. All this rulebreaking crap is totally not related at all when you look at the bigger picture, it's about a game that has been attempted to be played with fair condititions.. atleast, it has been by some.

take care/take a beer,
-Retail

we werent all in lan :>
at least todi played from home with adsl

You fucking germans you have bad style you mother!!

All this would'nt have happened if the fifth swedish player was online at the scheduled time.
Swedish captain resigned, which is good imho - he acted like a kid, sweden would have won this match anyway, i therefore can't understand him saying "...either this server or we won't play at all" .
Fact is Sweden would have won - now Germany is in the finals because of one Kid not able to be online at the scheduled time and another Kid who acts as if he was The Godfather.

How about you learn english before you use the language!

ey, welcome to GermanBase.com!

Be prepared that german admins overoles their own rules and agreement, for one sole purpose. German winning games.

hahahahah GG Germany

Really pathetic to see that a "game for fun" goes to this...

The Swedish Team came to the right conclusion, NOT TO PLAY. This is pure bullshit.

CB, do you calculator ??

in fact , there are few sweden guys who are complaining about this decision compare to all of others guy from europeans country.... ( fr / en / be and so on )
And the fact that there are no german people defending the clanbase statement ...

plz Blackop and the other cb admins that where helping out in this cup. How mature are you guys ? Ehm like 10 years old njubb kiddies running around whining about the ping, the germans where toasted from the start.

LOL If a guy with 250 ping toasts 4 germans in the last round on inferno... LOL talk about mad skillz germans ROFL!
Plz nebb ownd the totaly ffs. It´s so sad to read the log from irc. The cb admins are trying to change what they said on irc. Please grow up.
GG Now i´m gonna unregister from cb if I even can do that.

If this shit still goes on this will be the death of CB.

New ladders and cups are going to take over this lame shit.

And the most njuubs (newbies) like blackop and godsmurf are going to write history of the cs scene.
The mestlol script kiddies that are mature like 10 years old kiddies running around the maps and saying that everyone cheats.

CB IS MEST LOL

Later all fucking noobadmins.

@siralos: huh? I wrote nothing about pings cause they're total irrelevant. I don't care about what happend before the match or last year or whatever. Godsmurf intervened in swedish favor. He offered a completely fair 2nd game. Your team captain bds declined this offer (as i wrote if he is sane this can only mean he wants a ping advantage). He prefered to be a little defiant kid and to spin theories about conspiracy as in fact Godsmurf is DISPROVING this through his offer.

Obviously the swedish team had all the opportunity to make it to the finals, don't blame clanbase or the german team that they didn't take it...




Alzi you've got to be kidding me?
Logical? NO
There is NO diffrence between a 30 ms delay and a 30 ms delay.
You should NOT use percentage because it's a statistical tool that gives you no real information.

Why is nothing said about the problems with germany not showing up last week?

HOW IS IT POSSIBLE FOR 5 players all on lan at the same isp to have various ping from 40 to 80 ? for me it is a mysterios ..but ask the germans bet they can answer

stop talking about the guy with the 250 ping. the other swedisch players had normal pings. so he had a problem not the server. one german player had a technical problem too and was replaced at once.

Fuck you GodSmurf!
Nothing more to say... FU all cb crew! you suck! lol omg xiit!
Totally unfair!

now please point out something team germany administration has done wrong
u might hassle with the cb decision but there's nothing that comes to my mind team germany has done wrong in this situation

I think its their decesion if they wanted to refuse your SUGGESTION(it should have been just a suggestion) that's their problem and not yours

"Why? Bds wants to be lame, and he is, that's for sure. I noticed that on the mindtreklan, i notice that again in this match."

Remove the admins that alrdy takes sides before games.
So boring and lame to see cb taking the german side all the time. Rename to germanbase insteed.

Hope that sweden dont play in anymore nationscup untill germanbase follows there own rules insteed of using them when it fits em.

The germans had agreed to play @ matrix before the game.

8. Once a server has been decided upon, either by the clans or by the admin, this decision stands for the entire match; a clan can not demand a server change or more server testing later on. The server decision can only be changed if both clans agree, or if the connections to the server have changed drastically for several players.

I must say that it is nice to see the cb admins break their own rules.

Some people dont seem to have understood this:

* We discussed and agreed on servers a long time before the match (starting at 19.00).

* raal even sent his players to the matrix server to try it out and they confirmed that it was good and accepted to play on it.

* I suggested a neutral server in Denmark, but it was decided two servers were going to be used.

all you Swedes who calculate pings are twisting the actual pings, very childish but rather typical for this kind of discussion.

the simple fact is that Sweden was offered to play with the exact same ping advantage as Germany had had, and refused.

ok fair enough <img src='http://www.clanbase.com:8000/smiley1.gif' border='0' width='16' height='16' align=absbottom>

anyway let me summarise my views

1. bds bit stubborn for refusing to find another server - I dont doubt for 1 minute that u would of won on an even server let alone one u had a slight advantage on

2. lame of CB to seemingly bend the rules when it suits them - why so eager to deal with supposed server laming now but not in opencup final where clanONE got SCREWED by server laming

overall it hasnt done anything for the reputation of bds,.swe or cb

gl ger and austria in the final

and peace <img src='http://www.clanbase.com:8000/smiley5.gif' border='0' width='16' height='16' align=absbottom>

p.s. this is real nick but i'm at work without my login password <img src='http://www.clanbase.com:8000/smiley5.gif' border='0' width='16' height='16' align=absbottom>

fuck the admins

i am from FR and i dont understand the clanbase decision

Maybe some clanbase crew are friend with some german admin or players....
Sad to see that
I hope Austria will play the final against Sweden, because they had to won this semi final. ( tie on german server with playing 4 vs 5 ).

The report of clanbase sounds not fair at all ... And there 2 or 3 rules that clanbase admins didn't follow ... so if admin doent respect the rules, what can we expect about this nation cup ?

nothing

*sigh*

Comment #73 By SK|bds / 2003-02-03 14:04:19
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Godsmurf pasted half the log. I had already been discussing servers for one hour before the actual game. The germans even connected and tested the matrix server way before the actual game.

I also suggested a neutral Danish server.

are you blind ???
or do you just read what you wonna read
lol this keeps getting better
instead of some of the admins would actually answer some of the questions asked by people they just ignore them and call them swedisch whiners ??

i suggest you scroll down and read my 2 previous posts and give me and answer

IM BELGIAN BTW ( i hope you can read caps )

let's try to keep this discussion more polite. yes there have been mistakes, but people just make them a lot. don't start a war about it. plz, if people can't life with the decission clanbase makes, don't be here. stop this childish behaviour...

geez who cares....like a bunch of petty squabbling girls the lot of you.

Go take out your frustration on UK2 beginners server - here's an IP to get your started - 213.232.110.21:27035 - gogogo

Wrong! I am from Germany and I totally disagree with the ClanBase decision. Team Ger + CB = unfair lamers

i know
i havent referred to you

BDS beat himself with his imagined talks!
fuck off BDS! YOU ARE THE RIGHT LOSER!
wake up and kick his ass out of the team! NAP!

most of them are
anyway they are all too shy to post with their real logins :>

Godsmurf, you can suck my ****!!!! Ehh, whatever, fuck Nations Cup...wait until CPL summer and SK and Clan Matrix will CRUSH every opponent that's out there!!!

er what a stupid assumption...I'm from UK

"On average Germany's ping on this server would be more than 4 times higher than that of Sweden"

"4 times higher pings"
That's expression is ridiculous...
you could't compare 15 vs 60 or the 50 vs 200...

You have to see the ping differences (and that was better for Germany).

bg CB

HAHAHAH you so dumb I cant believe it. You dont think its an disadvantage to have a guy ping 250 in your team? lol man, You need to go to school more often

you should check the IP's...not everybody is from Sweden!