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MACRO setup on mouses should be forbidden
- b1z - cvt - Tue 10 Apr 14:36
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Reply | It's almost same as a script and it is possible to have it only on some special mouses (f.e. logitech g500). People who use it have big advantage versus others. I heard it is not allowed on LAN events so I would like to make it same here.
I'm not sure how could we recognize it but it is abnormal if you compare it to normal M1 garand/pistol shooting.
+1 if you agree
ps. if you CB admins consider that I should write this under ** Your Suggestions To Improve COD2 On Clanbase ** topic then tell me and I will ask the same there.
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RE:MACRO setup on mouses should be forbidden
- grin - mash1to - Tue 10 Apr 16:19
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Reply | | unbelivable for what are people complaining is this game your life? haaah |
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RE:MACRO setup on mouses should be forbidden
- Rapz - BAiTED - Tue 10 Apr 16:56
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Reply | | this is considered as mouse driver, so it can't be detected anyway. even if there would be rules, u can't catch ppl which use it. |
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RE:MACRO setup on mouses should be forbidden
- b1z - cvt - Tue 10 Apr 18:37
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Reply | | ye I know it is, but as I said it is obvious when someone shot all bullets within 2 seconds...And also, it's pathetic |
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Reply | | If u own g500 or similar with macro setup, u wouldnt be writing this. |
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RE:MACRO setup on mouses should be forbidden
- b1z - cvt - Tue 10 Apr 20:08
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Reply | Nah I would never use that shit since it cannot be used on LAN and it is pretty low.  |
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RE:MACRO setup on mouses should be forbidden
- Z - ANTS - Tue 17 Jul 07:44
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Reply | | you can use it on LAN events, too. i used it in ICL13 as many other players |
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RE:MACRO setup on mouses should be forbidden
- gefroy - SacreBleu  - Tue 17 Jul 08:11
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Reply | | are you proud of yourself now? |
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RE:MACRO setup on mouses should be forbidden
- b1z - cvt - Tue 17 Jul 12:20
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Reply | | ye srsly |
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- Z - ANTS - Thu 19 Jul 13:11
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Reply | no,but if u can use it on lan events,why cant u use it on CB ? |
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- l351n4r - p71c4 - Mon 23 Jul 10:53
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Reply | | obviously that hungarian lan event is shit then |
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RE:MACRO setup on mouses should be forbidden
- head  - ClanBase Crew - Wed 11 Apr 16:51
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Reply | | Its not allowed to use macro's |
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RE:MACRO setup on mouses should be forbidden
- Rapz - BAiTED - Wed 11 Apr 17:41
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Reply | | And everybody uses it. |
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RE:MACRO setup on mouses should be forbidden
- b1z - cvt - Thu 12 Apr 07:53
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Reply | It should be written in the rules then
Anyway nice to hear it |
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- z0d - r2l - Thu 12 Apr 08:05
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Reply | | if im right, uac will detect macro (dno how) and ban for it. |
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RE:MACRO setup on mouses should be forbidden
- MOOS - Paradogma - Thu 12 Apr 09:29
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Reply | | http://uac.ac/#forum_posts/id=2327 |
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RE:MACRO setup on mouses should be forbidden
- b1z - cvt - Thu 12 Apr 13:53
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Reply | | glad to see it |
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RE:MACRO setup on mouses should be forbidden
- homa - homa - Thu 12 Apr 18:20
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Reply | I see the point that it is forbidden on CB matches, but i do not think it's a good idea to ban ppl who use it...
I mean, these functions are available on "gamer mouses", so imo banning for it wouldn't make sense. |
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- MOOS - $MSLT$ - Thu 12 Apr 21:56
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Reply | | u dont need to ban anyone. it's just a forfeit loss and everybody is happy |
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RE:MACRO setup on mouses should be forbidden
- tomY - COREPLAY  - Thu 12 Apr 22:47
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Reply | | Yap, i agree with you, that would work totally. |
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RE:MACRO setup on mouses should be forbidden
- b1z - cvt - Fri 13 Apr 16:49
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Reply | | me aswell |
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RE:MACRO setup on mouses should be forbidden
- fuerSt - POWERB. - Thu 31 May 09:12
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Reply | yes, but in the gamer mouse softwares are DPI-settings included. if u stop run the mouse-software u lost all settings. for example DPI or Mouserate for USB-Slot. thats a problem......
and you can feel the difference between 250Hz and 500Hz |
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RE:MACRO setup on mouses should be forbidden
- Tikzon - Tikzon - Thu 17 May 19:07
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Reply | | Stupid stupid stupid if someone has better mouse as example : g400 mouse has better springs under mouse bottuns and you can faster shoot m1 with him than with mouse: g500 but g500 have macro and why shouldn't I use macro ? stupid stupid stupid. that would mean that all people should shoot with they keys on keyboard ( so that rules are same for everyone). fuck stupid rules. |
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RE:MACRO setup on mouses should be forbidden
- tomY - BT - Thu 17 May 19:28
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Reply | Why shouldn't you use macro? Well you are probably some random guy who wouldn't be able to kill anyone without his macro, same goes for the guys with fast reload bug shooting; that's why you don't agree with this. I met a lot of players with the same 'problem' and believe me, i know what am i talking about.
Btw, nice threads you made at deadc0de's forum. Seems like macro isn't the only thing you're using while playing. |
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RE:MACRO setup on mouses should be forbidden
- Tikzon - Tikzon - Sat 19 May 11:24
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Reply | | trolololololololololollololo |
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RE:MACRO setup on mouses should be forbidden
- head - ClanBase Crew - Thu 17 May 19:33
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Reply | Using a macro is not allowed, if you can't play the game without the help of a script/macro I suggest you don't play it.
macro = bug abuse |
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RE:MACRO setup on mouses should be forbidden
- b1z - cvt - Fri 18 May 12:08
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Reply | Nice to see this! You should edit it in the rules (if you haven't yet) so everyone can be informed the right way since some guys are not active on this forum.
The only problem is, how can we proof that it is macro, should we watch the demo and judge if it was macro in our opinion so make timestamps if needed?
Cheers ! |
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RE:MACRO setup on mouses should be forbidden
- Nasir - Depor - Fri 18 May 21:23
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Reply | +1
I really hate when m1 scripts or macro kills me... 3-4 years ago only few players play with m1 and now every other player :S this m1 is really popular script weapon |
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RE:MACRO setup on mouses should be forbidden
- exzz - exzz - Sat 19 May 11:39
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Reply | | well, if you can't shot fast without scripts, just with fast fingers then play mp only! |
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RE:MACRO setup on mouses should be forbidden
- b1z - b1z - Sat 19 May 15:42
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Reply | | can't get ur point exzz o.O |
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RE:MACRO setup on mouses should be forbidden
- exzz - exzz - Sat 19 May 16:00
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Reply | | If you can't play with M1 Garand without scripts then you should play with mp44 as it doesn't request to have fast fingers. |
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- b1z - cvt - Sat 19 May 16:46
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Reply | | ok then I agree ;> |
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RE:MACRO setup on mouses should be forbidden
- HH3H3HH3 - e1337 - Fri 25 May 16:50
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Reply | | damn this guy is pretty smart |
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- exzz - exzz - Sun 27 May 19:33
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Reply | The point is, that you don't need any scripts to shot fast with M1 Garand at all.
su low, who are you? |
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Reply | too retarded to click on his name to find out who he is 
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RE:MACRO setup on mouses should be forbidden
- exzz - exzz - Thu 31 May 13:42
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Reply | | asking because, I've never heard about him before |
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RE:MACRO setup on mouses should be forbidden
- Nasir - Depor - Thu 31 May 12:27
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Reply | | UAC4 coming in June, maybe macro will be busted... |
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RE:MACRO setup on mouses should be forbidden
- sacred - pettymys - Sat 9 Jun 12:51
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Reply | | can we get players to upload demo and have democrew decide if they are using macros? past two nights ive played 3 games where people were shooting pistols so fast the gun shots were cutting out, anyone who knows what theyre doing should be able to tell if a macros being used |
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RE:MACRO setup on mouses should be forbidden
- b1z - cvt - Mon 11 Jun 12:33
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Reply | if pistol (especially visible on british one) is cutting out it's an obvious macro and it's forfeit win for you since it's "bug abuse"... but if pistol or m1 garand shots fast but not cutting out the bullets, it cannot be considered as macro...
that's my opinion
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RE:MACRO setup on mouses should be forbidden
- allan - waL*  - Tue 12 Jun 19:28
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Reply | "Everybody uses it".
That's far from true, here are a few teams that I can 100% vouch for.
Watch and Learn
WRYYYY
Ephix
From my point of view, it looks like a bunch of nobodies are trying to justify using it by saying that everyone does. Heres the fact of the matter, if you use macros, you're a cheater. If you beat the above teams by cheating, you never really beat them.
P.S. I'm willing to be the majority of top teams that aren't hacking, don't use macros. The above 3 examples are just teams that I personally know quite well, and thus feel I can vouch for. |
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Reply | Top teams are supposed to set an example, you are only mentioning 3 teams out of the top you are playing against.
You can't vouch for other top teams not using macros - that basically tells me how much people are being ignorant about the fact as how much macros are being used in general.
Macros are easy to set, easy to use, and nothing (so far, except for rules) is being done to prevent them. And why would you? As if shooting a clip, probably just a second faster has any impact on the game. But you won't see the actual facts, ignorance once again. Not to mention this is 2012 we live in, not 2007 a.k.a. CoD2 LANS.
And as in every single situation before people will decrease the usage of macros, you can't stop it - there has to be a big convection. A top player or a well known player getting banned for using macro's, which you are willing to describe as cheats.
But oh well I have been apart of this community so long I know how long it takes before good measures are to be taken. The ClanBase CoD2 team is not a neutral party.
Last but not least; I am going to repeat a well known statement once again The CoD2 ladders are slowly but clearly decreasing in numbers of activity. Why would you force other people to play with your gamestyle, and force the community into a downfall?
The CoD2 CB community should grow up, be mature and stop having the pathetic let's stay the oldschool way mental state. |
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- gefroy - SacreBleu - Wed 13 Jun 10:49
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Reply | The CoD2 CB community should grow up, be mature and stop having the pathetic let's stay the oldschool way mental state.
Ou! I thought that oldschool players are more mature in this scene. But sure you can twist that upside down.
I wrote couple walls of text in anothr topic what handled this but unfornately the topic is deleted. |
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RE:MACRO setup on mouses should be forbidden
- b1z - cvt - Wed 13 Jun 11:40
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Reply | | Believe me, it depends. Imo, the most mature nation are swedens. Respect |
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Reply | | Aimed at those in this community with the same oldschool mental state. They should move on with their lives, if not stop whining about a dead game. |
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RE:MACRO setup on mouses should be forbidden
- allan - waL* - Wed 13 Jun 12:22
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Reply | Top teams are supposed to set an example, you are only mentioning 3 teams out of the top you are playing against.
The 3 example I gave do set an example. You will be pushed to find many people who dislike the following 3 teams because those teams are more stand out in both legitimacy, and maturity.
You can't vouch for other top teams not using macros - that basically tells me how much people are being ignorant about the fact as how much macros are being used in general.
I am bias, but a quick run down.
Ephix - Probably the #1 team in the game in recent years. Several LAN wins, and an EC win under their belt.
WRYYYY - One of the nicest teams in the game. Made up of players who won a LAN back when the game was still active. Last years EC runner up.
Watch and Learn - My team, so I'm bias. We are probably the longest standing lineup in COD2. We won last EC.
These aren't some run of the mill, we started hacking in 2012 to become top players, top teams. They're teams that legitimately deserve respect.
I vouched for 3 teams that I knew pretty well, that doesn't mean other team aren't playing legitimately, it just means I don't happen to know them personally. Do you expect me to vouch for an entire community worth of people I do not know?
As if shooting a clip, probably just a second faster has any impact on the game.
If macros had no impact of the game, you wouldn't use them, because they'd be of no benefit to you. The reality of the situation is not everyone can click really fast, a few can do it whilst they control their aim to the same degree they do normally.
On top of that, the sheer amount of people who run about with garand mini-guns, who use this to compete with teams like my own, whilst simultaneously being smashed when they play axis, shows that it does make a difference. The gun is extremely powerful, and is abused by scripts and macros. I suspect we'd 20-0 a lot of teams if they suddenly couldn't use this anymore.
And as in every single situation before people will decrease the usage of macros, you can't stop it
You're technically wrong. I'm sure I could write an anti-cheat to bust the majority of macro usage. It isn't impossible to stop at all, it just isn't being done currently.
A top player or a well known player getting banned for using macro's, which you are willing to describe as cheats.
All the top players I know would describe this as cheats, and wouldn't do it, thus it'd be pretty hard to ban them over it.
Why would you force other people to play with your gamestyle, and force the community into a downfall?
Lets extend you argument to its logical conclusion. Why stop playing using aimbots, you'll kill ladder activity? Seems silly right? Think about what you said. It has nothing to do with game styles, and everything to do with playing the game yourself without added help.
The CoD2 CB community should grow up, be mature and stop having the pathetic let's stay the oldschool way mental state.
Or maybe you should learn to compete fairly? |
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Reply | The 3 example I gave do set an example.
Let us make a list of all teams in the top 30, only 10% according to your knowledge are actually a good example to the community. 90% remains, the majority is still using macros.
Do you expect me to vouch for an entire community worth of people I do not know?
I expect an old school player from 2006 at least know a lot of players in the top ranking, including a lot more top teams then 3 out of 1500 total teams.
On top of that, the sheer amount of people who run about with garand mini-guns, who use this to compete with teams like my own, whilst simultaneously being smashed when they play axis, shows that it does make a difference.
A top team in my opinion should be able to play against macro users, and sometimes even cheaters. Losing versus cheaters will get them banned of course due to the admin team that is not a 100% guaranteed neutral party, or in loads of cases just the fact these cheaters were indeed cheating and in the end will get banned. If you can't win macro users there's no reason to call you a top team. And I believe these 3 top teams you mentioned are top teams since they beat macro users. So what's the problem besides that you think it's giving people an unfair advantage?
You're technically wrong. I'm sure I could write an anti-cheat to bust the majority of macro usage. It isn't impossible to stop at all, it just isn't being done currently.
Even if an anti-cheat will make it almost impossible to use a macro driver. It is impossible to stop all the macro users, maybe a majority of them. When there's a high demand, a bypass will be made. A good example are the hacks out there, wall hacks. Not all hackers can be banned. It will always be bypassed if demanded.
No fix or anti-cheat is perfect unless you have an active development QUAKE3 team working on behalf of Activision.
Lets extend you argument to its logical conclusion. Why stop playing using aimbots, you'll kill ladder activity? Seems silly right? Think about what you said. It has nothing to do with game styles, and everything to do with playing the game yourself without added help.
From my point of view macros are not considered to be cheats. So the conditions are different. Taking your conclusion, obviously if macros were cheats, that would be silly.
Or maybe you should learn to compete fairly?
I have played "fairly" - when using macros was more of a normal thing then it is now, testing without macro/scripts in a public multiplayer game with the conclusion that I was able to shoot a garand very quickly if I just knew why my garand gets stuck when not focusing on the rate of fire. It is possible to fire a garand very quickly but it may take a stable 250fps or just years of experience getting the rhythm right I wouldn't know.
And obviously the influence from those other macro users have a part in it. |
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RE:MACRO setup on mouses should be forbidden
- allan - waL* - Wed 13 Jun 17:10
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Reply | Let us make a list of all teams in the top 30, only 10% according to your knowledge are actually a good example to the community. 90% remains, the majority is still using macros.
Stop being an idiot. I gave 3 examples which I could vouch for, which include the top two teams from last EC. I did not say that teams out with those examples were using macros, just that I could contradict the statement that all top teams did it.
For the record, I doubt teams like stheno, wild, ixus, citerciciii, v!ne, MEGA, unimatrix, Ei paljoo kiinnosta, or iNFINITE use them either. I just don't know every player from their lineups as I haven't played a while.
For the rest of this seasons EC teams, I would hope the same goes for them, but I can't really remember much about them.
I expect an old school player from 2006 at least know a lot of players in the top ranking, including a lot more top teams then 3 out of 1500 total teams.
Well, you expect wrong. I play games to enjoy myself and have fun playing the game. I do not make an effort to be friends with other players, neither from top teams or from anyone else. It's not my job to know them, it's my job to beat them.
A top team in my opinion should be able to play against macro users, and sometimes even cheaters. Losing versus cheaters will get them banned of course due to the admin team that is not a 100% guaranteed neutral party, or in loads of cases just the fact these cheaters were indeed cheating and in the end will get banned. If you can't win macro users there's no reason to call you a top team. And I believe these 3 top teams you mentioned are top teams since they beat macro users. So what's the problem besides that you think it's giving people an unfair advantage?
Why should any top team have to suffer playing anyone illegitimately? Being a top player, and a top team, generally means you are a couple of % points better, or smarter than everyone else. That advantage is completely wiped out when you add cheats to the equation.
Even those of us who are still capable of winning against such idiocy can't actually be bothered because its a complete and utter joke than anyone would like to play us without playing fairly.
I'm speaking to you as the leader, tactician and as a player of one of the aforementioned teams, and I'm telling you straight, we're not on the ladder because it's too boring to play people who are dirty in nearly every game.
Even if an anti-cheat will make it almost impossible to use a macro driver. It is impossible to stop all the macro users, maybe a majority of them. When there's a high demand, a bypass will be made. A good example are the hacks out there, wall hacks. Not all hackers can be banned. It will always be bypassed if demanded.
No fix or anti-cheat is perfect unless you have an active development QUAKE3 team working on behalf of Activision.
I actually think if the people making the AC were a bit smarter, it'd just be another hack. Now you're right that stopping people with bypasses is a game of cat and mouse, but again the logical conclusion to your argument is we should allow people to aimbot and wallhack too, because anti-cheats doesn't really stop them either.
From my point of view macros are not considered to be cheats. So the conditions are different. Taking your conclusion, obviously if macros were cheats, that would be silly.
MACROs are specifically forbidden for ladder use. If you break the rules on purpose, you're cheating. If some teams, like the ones I mentioned, follow the rules and you do not, you are specifically cheating against them.
Even if you don't agree with the rule, you are still taking an unfair advantage over other teams when both of you are prohibited from doing so. That is pretty much the definition of cheating. You cannot debate that.
I have played "fairly" - when using macros was more of a normal thing then it is now, testing without macro/scripts in a public multiplayer game with the conclusion that I was able to shoot a garand very quickly if I just knew why my garand gets stuck when not focusing on the rate of fire. It is possible to fire a garand very quickly but it may take a stable 250fps or just years of experience getting the rhythm right I wouldn't know.
And obviously the influence from those other macro users have a part in it.
Years of experience learning how to fire your gun fast is all fine and good. It is a learned skill, which you are using to apply to winning games.
Downloading a script, whether that be for your mouse, or for the quake engine, isn't a learned skill. It's a replacement for a lack of skill,k which is against the rules, and always has been.
There is no inherit right, that someone should be allowed to download, write some code, or otherwise use something to equalize a learned skill, and as I said before, the skill obviously matters, otherwise people wouldn't bother using MARCOs or scripts to achieve it. |
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Reply | Stop being an idiot. I gave 3 examples which I could vouch for, which include the top two teams from last EC. I did not say that teams out with those examples were using macros, just that I could contradict the statement that all top teams did it.
For the record the minority of 10 percent I am mentioning are the teams who are a good example therefore not using any macros. So mind reading instead of mumbling about.
I am not going to waste any more of my time repeating my opinions since this discussion or whatever you may want to call it is pretty much going nowhere.
Stated my opinions against the macro usage and rules to prevent it. I am the minority obviously, I don't mind. Thanks for cracking me up.  |
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RE:MACRO setup on mouses should be forbidden
- head - ClanBase Crew - Wed 13 Jun 17:05
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Reply | Sure some teams could beat a team that is using a macro/script but some teams that are on the same skill level might lose because these players have an unfair advantage.
We banned people for using a auto clicker, if we know how to detected macro users we will do the same thing with them. I find it really strange that some people say "its 2012 macro is normal".
If you can't play the game without a macro, don't play it. |
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RE:MACRO setup on mouses should be forbidden
- allan - waL* - Wed 13 Jun 17:12
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Reply | I find it really strange that some people say "its 2012 macro is normal".
Only those who are abusing them would say such a thing. |
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RE:MACRO setup on mouses should be forbidden
- Nasir - Depor - Thu 14 Jun 21:51
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Reply | | Autoclickers are detected on uac4, i hope that we will play soon with this program. Can i ask for how many months player gets playing ban? It would be fair more than 3 months |
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RE:MACRO setup on mouses should be forbidden
- head - ClanBase Crew - Fri 15 Jun 10:41
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Reply | | Think 3 months is fine. |
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RE:MACRO setup on mouses should be forbidden
- prazm - #unimatrix  - Fri 15 Jun 22:08
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Reply | | Basically i'm going to get banned, I'll rwb and macro you motherfuckers BOOOOOOOOOOO YEAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA bitchez |
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