NationsCup IX - Tactical Ops


Germany  -  Sweden
Match:Details
Score:15 - 6
Levels:blister, blister, scope, scope
Odds:60% - 40%
PotM:Onkel Sweden
SWEDEN ADVANCES TO THE FINALS !!!!
by: Blue
core64 - Screenshots inside !!!

First level: TO-Blister (core64 Germany)


GER win by 8 to 4


Second level: TO-Blister (core64 Germany)


SWE win by 7 to 5


Third level: TO-Scope (mormors Sweden)


SWE win by 10 to 2


Fourth level: TO-Scope (mormors Sweden)


SWE win by 12 to 0






Comments:(112)


#112 Sk!nn3r* (=SS=)  14 Apr 2008 14:02Reply
lol
#111 -dFh*Eraz0r (-dFh*)  4 May 2006 23:52Reply
to bad allot of DkH members and they lost
pro shit nice gaming
#110 Malacia / eSki ([IpL])  28 Mar 2006 21:58Reply
Pretty pathetic and childish to leave just because you know you've lost, especially for a NC team, just makes your whole team look like mongs
#109 [CLS]-KruegeR / Muttley ([CLS])  28 Mar 2006 20:38Reply
don't you play for fun then? only for a win? It's just disrespectfull imo
#108 quest^ - Young`blood ([*] )  28 Mar 2006 15:43Reply
Only Germans leave
#107 target (WBW)  27 Mar 2006 08:38Reply
hattori_hanzo wrote:
no offence, but the comparison with tennis is a bit crappy.
a tennis-match is over as soon as one got 3 sets. this can take up to 5 sets...

you forgot to tell, why the comparison to tennis is crappy: in both games the match is over, as soon as one won half+1sets/rounds. you can keep on playing for fun, but it doesnt change the result.

hattori_hanzo wrote:
according to the TO rules: a war takes 48 rounds. (no thats no quote!)
and not: as soon as one of both teams got 25 rounds the war is over...

ther are TO rules? didnt know that, only know clanbase rulse, GSL rules, ESL rules ... <img src='http://images.clanbase.com/smiley5.gif' border='0' width='16' height='16' align=absbottom> there are no TO rules.
clanbase EC rules tell:
"Games are scored using the Max Rounds(MR) system. 12 rounds are played on each map as both SWAT and terrorist sides. When a total of 12 rounds have been played the match stops and each team changes sides. Then another 12 rounds are played."
there is no further explanation. you can either interpret it: you need to play 48 rounds, or (as its maxrounds) match is over after 1 teams wins half+1 rounds.
Another reason why i think a match should be over after 25:x:
both teams play 100% until this point, then they play for fun/train. so statistics are wrong from this round. maybe a clan was 25:5 in lead, but after they won they didnt concentrate (and 2 players went afk) and finaly played 28:20. it looks like a close match, but for real it was a dominating win.

hattori_hanzo wrote:
i dont like it when the opponent leaves after we won 25 rounds, because they usually (99% of the time) leave without telling/explaining/"gga" etc etc etc... means in a "not nice" way...

leaving the war to play another war right away, is ok.
but its not an excuse for not beeing nice...

ok, thats for sure true, but there is a reason: if it was a gg, they wouldnt leave (cause TO makes fun most time), thats why it wasnt a good game for those, who leave the server. (ok, another reason to leave the server is: because of another war, but then, iam sure, they tell gg.
#106 hattori_hanzo ([IpL])  26 Mar 2006 21:34Reply
target wrote:
after this match, there started an intesting discussion on to-nation.de:
was it lame from team GER to leave the server after 25:x?
arguments pro lame:
the match wasnt over. the match is over after 48rounds
played
compared to soccer: you dont leave the playground, even with 0:3 and 5 min to go
arguments contra lame:
the match was over! after 25 rounds (and this K.O.-cupsystem) there was nothing to win for either of the teams.
compared to tennis: in a game with 5 set, you quit after winning 3 set

feel free to post you opinion and flame the ones with another opinion


no offence, but the comparison with tennis is a bit crappy.
a tennis-match is over as soon as one got 3 sets. this can take up to 5 sets...

according to the TO rules: a war takes 48 rounds. (no thats no quote!)
and not: as soon as one of both teams got 25 rounds the war is over...


i dont like it when the opponent leaves after we won 25 rounds, because they usually (99% of the time) leave without telling/explaining/"gga" etc etc etc... means in a "not nice" way...

leaving the war to play another war right away, is ok.
but its not an excuse for not beeing nice...

my 2 cents...
#105 Onkel / Diva (Mormors)  22 Mar 2006 00:08Reply
Well leaving after 25 rounds has it's benefits, if you play several wars a day it may be booring to play longer then neccecary. And in CB you will still loose same amount of points no matter how big the loss is.
#104 quest^ - Young`blood ([*] )  20 Mar 2006 16:55Reply
i dont care if u leave after the 25th round, BUT in the future =) atleast u can tell if ur leaving and why
#103 target (WBW)  20 Mar 2006 15:59Reply
after this match, there started an intesting discussion on to-nation.de:
was it lame from team GER to leave the server after 25:x?
arguments pro lame:
the match wasnt over. the match is over after 48rounds
played
compared to soccer: you dont leave the playground, even with 0:3 and 5 min to go
arguments contra lame:
the match was over! after 25 rounds (and this K.O.-cupsystem) there was nothing to win for either of the teams.
compared to tennis: in a game with 5 set, you quit after winning 3 set

feel free to post you opinion and flame the ones with another opinion <img src='http://images.clanbase.com/smiley1.gif' border='0' width='16' height='16' align=absbottom>
#102 quest^ - Young`blood ([*] )  20 Mar 2006 10:33Reply
200 cmon !
#101 V@ginaman (Megamen! )  19 Mar 2006 17:31Reply
Mr.Fantastic wrote:
and...


























...100 ftw!


and














ure post doesnt count <img src='http://images.clanbase.com/smiley6.gif' border='0' width='16' height='16' align=absbottom>. so


























...100ftw <img src='http://images.clanbase.com/smiley4.gif' border='0' width='16' height='16' align=absbottom>
#100 Mr.Fantastic (Megamen! )  17 Mar 2006 17:07Reply
and...


























...100 ftw!
#99 Orgasmo (Megamen! )  17 Mar 2006 15:34Reply
99
#98 PoseiDon (mÐk )  17 Mar 2006 15:17Reply
why should we say something? there is nothing to say
#97 Onkel (SWE)  17 Mar 2006 14:03Reply
idd mattiz is stupid <img src='http://images.clanbase.com/smiley4.gif' border='0' width='16' height='16' align=absbottom>
#96 jke ([*] )  17 Mar 2006 11:01Reply
96
#95 RaekwoN (AUT)  17 Mar 2006 10:45Reply
m4ttiz / h4xfl4x wrote:
PoseiDon wrote:
m4ttiz / h4xfl4x wrote:
WHERE IS THE GERMAN PLAYERS?!?! Im missing the whine :'( !!!
your english skills are nice

I know I misspelled the sentence, but was to lazy to edit ^^,

but why isn't the germans even saying anything?


mattiz what an attitude :X
imo you're worse than 'german flamers' with your statement. That's just dumb

letttts go for 200 :>
#94 quest^ - Young`blood ([*] )  17 Mar 2006 09:20Reply
+ 1
#93 etern!ty (-Sir.)  17 Mar 2006 07:34Reply
Onkel wrote:
going for 100, help me out here


+1
bleh


congratz btw
#92 Onkel (SWE)  17 Mar 2006 01:17Reply
going for 100, help me out here
#91 m4ttiz / h4xfl4x ([sr])  16 Mar 2006 14:11Reply
PoseiDon wrote:
m4ttiz / h4xfl4x wrote:
WHERE IS THE GERMAN PLAYERS?!?! Im missing the whine :'( !!!
your english skills are nice


I know I misspelled the sentence, but was to lazy to edit ^^,

but why isn't the germans even saying anything?
#90 peatz+r/Petter (SWE)  15 Mar 2006 16:12Reply
expected <img src='http://images.clanbase.com/smiley1.gif' border='0' width='16' height='16' align=absbottom>
#89 [lGf]NightRaver ([lGf])  15 Mar 2006 15:44Reply
suprised gg swe
#88 PoseiDon (mÐk )  15 Mar 2006 12:12Reply
m4ttiz / h4xfl4x wrote:
WHERE IS THE GERMAN PLAYERS?!?! Im missing the whine :'( !!!

your english skills are nice <img src='http://images.clanbase.com/smiley1.gif' border='0' width='16' height='16' align=absbottom>
#87 persia` (hpn)  15 Mar 2006 12:08Reply
n1 .swe xD
#86 etern!ty (*[GeF]*)  15 Mar 2006 08:18Reply
m4ttiz / h4xfl4x wrote:
WHERE IS THE GERMAN PLAYERS?!?! Im missing the whine :'( !!!


ur the only 1 whining
#85 UnderScore ([*] )  14 Mar 2006 23:44Reply
man stfu dont judge the german players they havent even said anything
#84 m4ttiz / h4xfl4x ([sr])  14 Mar 2006 21:37Reply
WHERE IS THE GERMAN PLAYERS?!?! Im missing the whine :'( !!!
#83 |[dP]|NoOb_MoNk~Szawdyn;) (|[dP]|)  14 Mar 2006 21:21Reply
O_o
#82 hannes (hannes)  14 Mar 2006 21:09Reply
too bad mDkH
#81 Mr.Fantastic (Megamen! )  14 Mar 2006 19:51Reply
fazzd wrote:
only shows skills seperated from ping+hop rape


or not. <img src='http://images.clanbase.com/smiley4.gif' border='0' width='16' height='16' align=absbottom>
#80 fazzd (fazed)  14 Mar 2006 19:22Reply
Zombie wrote:
its really a pity that there is a lack of respect even in Nationcup wars for the clan that lost.

hf in the finals
gL ldk gogo sniper and pref


only vs boycotting germans

groowey wrote:
gzy wrote:
WP and GL in the finals, and nice of germany to play 50/50

first of all ty, second I dont think its nice of germany to play 50/50 (if u were serious), I mean its just fair and it shouldnt be in any other way not even questanble when pings are like this! cant be more fair tbh.
It only shows who have played on foreign server most.


only shows skills seperated from ping+hop rape

congrats sweden, go for the gold!
#79 -[LaTe`TheViking]- (LaTe)  14 Mar 2006 15:37Reply
go sweden!!!
#78 Wolverine (Megamen! )  14 Mar 2006 15:25Reply
Najs :>
#77 shaa (infobase.de )  14 Mar 2006 15:22Reply
wtf? <img src='http://images.clanbase.com/smiley2.gif' border='0' width='16' height='16' align=absbottom>
#76 Megaman (Megamen! )  14 Mar 2006 14:52Reply
SniperXXL wrote:
but what i told you ethorn on scope seemed to be true <img src='http://images.clanbase.com/smiley4.gif' border='0' width='16' height='16' align=absbottom>


idd <img src='http://images.clanbase.com/smiley5.gif' border='0' width='16' height='16' align=absbottom>
/erik
#75 nkL~n!CkeL.bay ([DA] )  14 Mar 2006 14:44Reply
WTF??
#74 groowey (SWE)  14 Mar 2006 14:41Reply
gzy wrote:
WP and GL in the finals, and nice of germany to play 50/50


first of all ty, second I dont think its nice of germany to play 50/50 (if u were serious), I mean its just fair and it shouldnt be in any other way not even questanble when pings are like this! cant be more fair tbh.
It only shows who have played on foreign server most.
#73 hattori_hanzo ([IpL])  14 Mar 2006 14:22Reply
ah wicked!
very nice SE <img src='http://images.clanbase.com/smiley1.gif' border='0' width='16' height='16' align=absbottom>
now go for gold <img src='http://images.clanbase.com/smiley4.gif' border='0' width='16' height='16' align=absbottom>
#72 SHAFT`noChance (noC! )  14 Mar 2006 14:02Reply
nice pings <img src='http://images.clanbase.com/smiley4.gif' border='0' width='16' height='16' align=absbottom>

gg (:
#71 gzy (n)  14 Mar 2006 13:09Reply
SupaHstaH wrote:
You don't have a clue rly. Everyone knows that you can play on a good server with ping 80 without problems. But .se servers suck tho


no? mormors.se runs stable and performs good. And yes you must have a better clue then me since you played in that war
lol -_-
#70 Minkowski (Minkowski)  14 Mar 2006 13:08Reply
Rare comments by Germans. Maybe they all feel a shame on this result.
And referring the loss to server probs is lame, fire. They were able to choose the conditions, i think.
Btw well played swe.
#69 SupaHstaH (-[IM!]-)  14 Mar 2006 12:59Reply
You don't have a clue rly. Everyone knows that you can play on a good server with ping 80 without problems. But .se servers suck tho
#68 gzy (n)  14 Mar 2006 12:57Reply
I played the other day on .se mormors and the server was nice. It became easier to hit some highpinging (on skys then) sweds. But heck, you pwnered scope ;D

WP and GL in the finals, and nice of germany to play 50/50
#67 Zenz.aLzA<Erik> (Zenz. )  14 Mar 2006 12:47Reply
schwein potm.
#66 c0r3 (drunk)  14 Mar 2006 12:27Reply
very nice one u ogres !!!
#65 m4ttiz / h4xxiz ([sr])  14 Mar 2006 12:23Reply
I just think they now know how "fun" it is to play with high ping. And they lost cause they didn't have 20 pings like on the .de's!

GG
#64 GUARÐ` (mW.)  14 Mar 2006 11:11Reply
verrry nice .se like O_O

alltho i think u used the swathouse on scope sf and .de rushed too stupid into u.

dkh > .de
#63 Maz{+} (=]OBC[=.ufa )  14 Mar 2006 10:53Reply
really nice swe

4ever onkel, onkel 4ever onkel 4 potm

gg coomooon
#62 LTMac (SWE)  14 Mar 2006 10:22Reply
I ... I.... dont know what 2 say ... dident see this one comming ... i guess that germany wasent ready for this ... to bad they have proven them self many times over the years to be the best!

And a BIG congrats to Onkel nice work with the swe team! But when u win the NC, PLZ change your autograph <img src='http://images.clanbase.com/smiley5.gif' border='0' width='16' height='16' align=absbottom>

gg germany and gl next year. //ltm*
#61 -=B=-trust.pT^ (-=B=-)  14 Mar 2006 10:12Reply
n1 Sweden!

GL .NL @ .SE on finals!!!
#60 SniperXXL (!|ZdG|! )  14 Mar 2006 10:09Reply
wow really not expected this, but what i told you ethorn on scope seemed to be true <img src='http://images.clanbase.com/smiley4.gif' border='0' width='16' height='16' align=absbottom> Too bad germany.
Looking forward to the final sweden <img src='http://images.clanbase.com/smiley1.gif' border='0' width='16' height='16' align=absbottom>

gg
#59 Zenz.Mk<c0c0> (Zenz. )  14 Mar 2006 09:08Reply
NL team got a special weapon that the keep for the finals !!!!
and maybe and really maybe if you are lucky the will use it
#58 hAku` (NED )  14 Mar 2006 08:47Reply
expected. gg .swe ;]
#57 Blue ~ alehandro (.ncc)  14 Mar 2006 08:15Reply
inz
  • ane|reborn wrote:
    Blue: "...i'm not even in CB anymore havent been for months and...."

    So what are you doing here then? stupid capslock-finn...


  • sWhat does it look like, i made NC match report what you blind ? rofl
    #56 `miljak@hyperion (hpn)  14 Mar 2006 07:46Reply
    Zombie wrote:
    its really a pity that there is a lack of respect even in Nationcup wars for the clan that lost.

    hf in the finals
    gL ldk gogo sniper and pref


    perhaps because they always leave when they lose a war?
    #55 Hellish* / Duskfall* (drunk)  14 Mar 2006 06:46Reply
    Was surprised when I was watching the livechannel for this one. As it became 13-11 for Germany after Blister I was just thinking "oh well, thats it. Now for Scope, now .se is screwed". Well obviously(and gladly) I was shown wrong, Scope became the "easy" map for Sweden. I don't think Germany played with it's full capacity in this one. I am glad Sweden pulled it through and I wish my countrymen very good luck in the final vs Netherland. I don't think .nl will be as easy as a low motivated Germany, so keep your heads cool guys Sweden ftw imo \m/
    #54 Buzz (*LuNa* )  14 Mar 2006 01:37Reply
    haha wtf onkel ftw
    #53 Zombie (=]OBC[=.ufa )  14 Mar 2006 01:22Reply
    its really a pity that there is a lack of respect even in Nationcup wars for the clan that lost.

    hf in the finals
    gL ldk gogo sniper and pref
    #52 m4ttiz ~ BjörnpälseN (zOhMyGod)  14 Mar 2006 00:46Reply
    Koeman wrote:
    remove that pic already, like wtf were u thinking......

    wp sweden, nice performance gl in the finals


    Don't insult our leader, you perv.

    for the record... where is the germans? They usually end up whining, but they know it got no point? or maybe... they are playing "an important war" ? <img src='http://images.clanbase.com/smiley1.gif' border='0' width='16' height='16' align=absbottom>
    #51 inz[*]ane|reborn ([*] )  13 Mar 2006 23:48Reply
    Blue: "...i'm not even in CB anymore havent been for months and...."

    So what are you doing here then? stupid capslock-finn...
    #50 Huntelaar (n)  13 Mar 2006 23:35Reply
    ooleeee SWE NC winners 2006 for sure then.

    (unless XXL plays the final @ my place with ping 10 in F1)
    #49 Koeman (*LuNa* )  13 Mar 2006 23:18Reply
    remove that pic already, like wtf were u thinking......

    wp sweden, nice performance gl in the finals
    #48 =D*SuperPolm*B= (=*DB*=)  13 Mar 2006 23:06Reply
    ftw!
    #47 [sr]*Grizz / Voða ([sr])  13 Mar 2006 23:02Reply
    easy
    #46 mess (mayhem)  13 Mar 2006 23:00Reply
    wp swe

    Onkel potm!
    #45 PhilBo ([ntars])  13 Mar 2006 22:58Reply
    omg... well kinda have to agree that germans cant play that good on foreign servers, as the foreigners can do 0) ... gg @ SWE. !
    #44 PrefixeR (NED )  13 Mar 2006 22:49Reply
    ROFLMAO
    #43 UnderScore ([*] )  13 Mar 2006 22:42Reply
    Klison wrote:
    UnderScore wrote:
    quest is probably the best swedish player on blister
    naaah soulis ;F


    he's good, but he sux!
    #42 Klison (SWE)  13 Mar 2006 22:41Reply
    UnderScore wrote:
    quest is probably the best swedish player on blister

    naaah soulis ;F
    #41 soulis (SWE)  13 Mar 2006 22:39Reply
    gg, onkel POTM
    #40 Ryo Hazuki (Megamen! )  13 Mar 2006 22:27Reply
    voted Steffi as always...
    wp steffisan :]
    #39 rQ ~ ruisq (»KiX« )  13 Mar 2006 22:14Reply
    GG swe pjooners <3
    #38 daw[*] ([*] )  13 Mar 2006 21:54Reply
    n1 gg gn stock!
    #37 syn (sL )  13 Mar 2006 21:48Reply
    NOOBBASH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    #36 RaekwoN (AUT)  13 Mar 2006 21:47Reply
    unexpected
    #35 UnderScore ([*] )  13 Mar 2006 21:44Reply
    m4ttiz ~ Bj�rnp�lseN wrote:
    UnderScore wrote:
    quest is probably the best swedish player on blister

    And I'm probably the worse.


    maybe, but probably the most good-looking, specially with cracked underwear
    #34 m4ttiz ~ BjörnpälseN (zOhMyGod)  13 Mar 2006 21:39Reply
    UnderScore wrote:
    quest is probably the best swedish player on blister


    And I'm probably the worse.
    #33 UnderScore ([*] )  13 Mar 2006 21:33Reply
    quest is probably the best swedish player on blister
    #32 Zenz.Mk<c0c0> (Zenz. )  13 Mar 2006 21:32Reply
    gg sweden
    p.scheiwn pr0gamer 2 the max ;x
    #31 e-thorn/erik/zerich.de (*LuNa* )  13 Mar 2006 21:31Reply
    jLc wrote:
    smoesjes et


    first map 80 ping -> second map 42 ping... makes me use "smoesjes" <img src='http://images.clanbase.com/smiley1.gif' border='0' width='16' height='16' align=absbottom> .

    We'r just more used to play with highpings.... gg
    #30 |mS|MaGiCaL^ / mAgi_ (|mS| )  13 Mar 2006 21:30Reply
    lol :d
    #29 [sr]*Grizz / Voða ([sr])  13 Mar 2006 21:29Reply
    easy
    #28 qr3 a.k.a Mondler! (uP2)  13 Mar 2006 21:28Reply
    swed's to the win.
    #27 .Ck ()  13 Mar 2006 21:28Reply
    (pzy here)
    nice win swe ethorn slapping on scope swat?
    maybe .de didn't want to show eachother what they're capable of doing cause of the coming gsl finals?
    #26 kVn.fw (kVn.fw)  13 Mar 2006 21:25Reply
    gL swe but what the fuck has germany played???? if u know write it :P hf gl swe and nl in the finals
    #25 m4ttiz ~ BjörnpälseN (zOhMyGod)  13 Mar 2006 21:25Reply
    /me is waiting for the germans to come....
    #24 jLc (*LuNa* )  13 Mar 2006 21:23Reply
    smoesjes et
    #23 |mS|P03NTJ3 / Day-mar (|mS| )  13 Mar 2006 21:22Reply
    WP! sweden

    GO GO Sweden
    #22 groowey (SWE)  13 Mar 2006 21:20Reply
    gg .de <img src='http://images.clanbase.com/smiley1.gif' border='0' width='16' height='16' align=absbottom>

    wee
    #21 OUZO (LIULIEK!)  13 Mar 2006 21:20Reply
    looks liek there was half liuliek!!1ONEONE xD
    #20 |mS|naNs (|mS| )  13 Mar 2006 21:19Reply
    you guys had another more important war to play? xDDDD
    #19 Jappo (riCe)  13 Mar 2006 21:18Reply
    My thanks go out to Blue for creating a very professional and good looking report. Now that's the way a former ClanBase supervisor should do his work. This is just the way how to keep Tactical Ops in the spotlight on ClanBase. Well done mate.
    #18 GorkiTjai^ // GrK (*[GeF]*)  13 Mar 2006 21:17Reply
    Onkel wrote:
    voted myself =)

    gg germany, altho they were not prepared or motivated I think, they can play much better then this. Still, we were the better team today and won fair, finals here we come


    and gl for the finals m8
    #17 chivu ~ clipse` (o(o_o)o)  13 Mar 2006 21:17Reply
    unexpected, lol gg swe gl vs nl in da finals!!!
    #16 Backstabber` (!|ZdG|! )  13 Mar 2006 21:17Reply
    deserved win i guess
    gg
    gl hf in finals
    #15 inz[*]ane|reborn ([*] )  13 Mar 2006 21:17Reply
    quest potm
    GG svedala, unexpected <img src='http://images.clanbase.com/smiley1.gif' border='0' width='16' height='16' align=absbottom>
    #14 -team`emo.[q]unZt- (-team`emo-)  13 Mar 2006 21:17Reply
    n1 swe, love that pic btw blue ;o
    #13 jLc (*LuNa* )  13 Mar 2006 21:17Reply
    wp swe
    #12 Ikarus (inf )  13 Mar 2006 21:16Reply
    wtf ?
    nC haxx
    #11 SupaHstaH (-[IM!]-)  13 Mar 2006 21:16Reply
    ridiculous
    #10 Onkel (SWE)  13 Mar 2006 21:15Reply
    voted myself =)

    gg germany, altho they were not prepared or motivated I think, they can play much better then this. Still, we were the better team today and won fair, finals here we come <img src='http://images.clanbase.com/smiley1.gif' border='0' width='16' height='16' align=absbottom>
    #9 hannes (hannes)  13 Mar 2006 21:15Reply
    lol
    #8 -[LaTe`TheViking]- (LaTe)  13 Mar 2006 21:15Reply
    go sweden!!!
    #7 [CLS]-KruegeR / Muttley ([CLS])  13 Mar 2006 21:14Reply
    no need for the caps

    gg
    #6 stefAno (end)  13 Mar 2006 21:14Reply
    to bad =)
    #5 m4ttiz ~ BjörnpälseN (zOhMyGod)  13 Mar 2006 21:14Reply
    Onkel for POTM!
    #4 Huntelaar (n)  13 Mar 2006 21:13Reply
    whahaah nice1, no 100% .de no win
    #3 Blue ~ alehandro (.ncc)  13 Mar 2006 21:12Reply
    Voted Onkel !
    #2 Jappo (riCe)  13 Mar 2006 21:09Reply
    lal xD

    voted cckane ;-)
    #1 Typhoon (!|ZdG|! )  13 Mar 2006 21:08Reply
    zomg on scope


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