Yeah too bad, only 2 clans advancing. We are out now, even tho our chances to be 3rd in a group is very good .

Definitely, but the point of double elimination is to make sure that if the best clan and second best clan meet right away, the second best clan can still make it to their rightful second place, instead of being eliminated and someone else taking the second place because of more luck in the seeding.


I'm afraid 6 clans means 2 clans advancing to playoffs, but I wouldn't count Dj out just yet. p2 has been having some inactivity problems. To finish 1st, you first need to finish.

A better way for fairer end result is to have more playoff clans to rule out any "missplacements" during group phase. Also it really give more matches to more clans, not just the top clans of each group.

Over the course of 5 maps the best clan usual wins anyway, so no real need for double elimination.

However, I know it wont happen as this cup is an official CB cup and it only allow those top 2 clans in these sized groups.

I have no idea, since i've never run a double elim cup before. just saying what the "default" is. it's probably open for discussion, provided some advantage is given to the UB clan.

And let me guess, we're bound by CB policy because it's an official OpenCup?

I guess that's it for that discussion. A plea to UB winner: don't lose the grand final.

Cb policy is that final is "replayed" so to speak if lb finalist wins, so can be quite anti-climactic

Aye.

I guess it all comes down to viewpoint differences. Who thinks maps are important vs who thinks matches are important. Making the grand final best of 7 and having scores carried over (just for that) could be something.

More ideas that I'm just kinda throwing out there without much thought:
- Grand winner gets to pick server freely, a definite advantage (especially in case of .fi / .us clan, maybe even too much though).

- Grand final is played in 5 or 6 maps. If after 5 maps UB clan is behind, it goes to the 6th map. If they would win by scorecount (ie: they won some map really big despite losing more of the other maps), map scores would be added up and entered otherwise. If that criteria is not met, the LB clan wins.

Having 2 different match dates would be the fairest though, I guess, because we could assume that maybe one of the reasons why some clan is in the LB is because they had a bad day. If the UB winner has a bad day in the grand final, they do not have the same luxury of a second chance for a not bad day as the other ones.

Since I'd like to think that people overall would care about the final and not just the players in it, we could have a poll at some point to figure out what system would be the fairest and the most interesting in the majority's opinion.

I dislike double elimination; the grand final is reduced to an anticlimactic matchup depending on the ruleset for the playoffs, (ie if it's a carried result or 2 separate boX's)


Usually in some leagues you carry the result over of the previous match, if the 2 teams faced each other in the WB. This includes games leading up to the LB final, but this implies the games in the earlier rounds are best of 3's and the next time you meet it becomes a best of 5, with the prev result carried.

e.g. 3t beats rawk 2-0 in maps in QF, 3t loses SF to TC 2-1
3t play rawk in LB SF and only need to win 1 map to go 3-0, or rawk need to win 3 in a row.
3t play TC in grand final and start 2-1 down, TC only needs 2 maps (implying bo7) and 3t need to win 3. (It's nearly like a bo5)
You could have the prev rounds be bo5 and the rematches become bo7's.
If you are in the LB and you face a guy you haven't played yet in the WB, you don't carry a result and it's a fresh boX.
Problem then, in the GF, you can play a guy you avoided in the WB from early elimination, do you carry the result of the game you played in the WB and lost? (to a different clan). Seems a bit lame imo in that scenario, as you may have already played your "rematch" with the result carried forward in a previous LB game.
But then you can't expect the grand final winner to go out in 3 maps, what advantage do you award him then?
Might be wrong on a few points but thats the general gist.


Alternatively; which I guess you are doing:
You have every round be bo5 and you ignore previous results:
Clan A v B, A wins 3-0. A v C, A loses 2-3.
LB; A v B, B wins 3-2.
"A" took 5 maps vs B, and loses overall, while it is "5-3" to A.
B faces C in grand final; not having met each other previously. Hope your with me still.
B wins 3-2, then again 3-2. 6-4 total to B, while C only needed 3 maps to win overall whilst winning 4 in total. Seems a little odd, but possible.



nb; qf/sf=quarter/semifinal, boX=best of #

how about giving the UB winner the mapchoice of 4 instead of 3 maps

Nice one, double eli ftw!

Good question. At first I was thinking that if the LB winner wins, there will be a second game later but that could be an inconvenience so if someone has a great idea how to give the UB winner a nice advantage without it affecting the match too much and not causing any other problems, share it.

However, if no better idea is introduced, I believe that is how we will do it. In order to be eliminated, everyone has to lose twice, including the winner of the UB. Anything else would be unfair.

Does the WB winner get an advantage for the grand final (like only have to win 1 best of 5 and the LB has to win 2 bo5's to win). Etc. Prefer standard final even if u play same team twice in the final's