dai, uno che non legge le spiegazioni è un troll, fine della storia. non caghiamolo più

e la mamma dei cheater non e' mai incinta

e cicciolina è vergine...

It never happens to you to join after the map start and the demo doesnt start automatically? Shit happens, not necessarily a failure in uploading a demo means he cheated in that map. Consider he did upload the demos from the map he actually won.

I wonder how cant you get that, tbh.

Then you can keep your suspects, it's your own business, but please... Use logical statements when you type

Well, you're gay anyway.

If serial hacks am a shemale

...not only failed to upload a demo, but he lost that map too...
apparently this guy is unstoppable in failures...
and then what happened?
oh gawd, he uploaded the other demos and won the maps...
damn it! how bizarre....
did you get the sarcasm?

Should I be proud of you?

saidex you are a gentleman and my mate, but come on, Serial`xp is more than suspicious and you accept to replay a match? He failed in uploading a demo? Did he erase it and did not say anything? is there any real proof?

OMG, I restate what I said at the beginning of this NC, this Italy team is not clear, I'm soz for people such as Taker or oVer, but if you are being thought hackers, I donno why your LEADER, the most important person in the clan, fails to upload a demo. I can't get it.

Anyway, GG from POR part. They are more than awesome.

6th May 21:30

Is there a slim chance to know if there is a scheduled Date for the rematch?

And stop talking about the past - look in the future now and be sure everybody´s demo is recording.

Ping are not wrong. In ts you can just see the ping of alive players at the end of the match, and died players have the same ping of the players they're spectating. In ts.
In ctf you see the ping of all players. So the ping in the ctf map screenshoot are real and right.

gogo italy, you've done it once you can do this again

Everbody knows that map end screnshot, ping isnt correct.

seems u are using the same profile from last game.

cmon xai, stop that. We all had fair ping, i did ping 70-120 in both server, and you guys had a low one in your, i dont get the point is faking what happened, its just saying something not true.

Xai i didn't answer untill now , but you're seriously not in a good position to talk , i'm sorry to say that you're not a "victim" , because you guys didn't respect all the rules as you're saying; anyway back 2 the topic you seem to be a little bit blind and confused :
1. You should check better the table
2. http://clanbase.ggl.com/news_league.php?nid=368397&lid=12510 your ping was 50-60-70-80-90 or i'm wrong?
3. I see that the only one that pings 100 was Serial in your server , and while you were having 50 ping , Team ITA guys were having 100-80-70
So if you think that "those" pings are unfair lemme now , why should we force a match to a neutral server while pings are fair?I also proposed you a neutral server , to avoid to play in your server and in the Team ITA's server , but you guys refused.Now why are we talking about servers?
Said that , CB took its decision , PT wanted to play fair and wanted a rematch , so now there's no reason to flame , i mean it's freaking useless , it won't change anything.
NOTICE : i'm not using the CB Sup profile , i'm just answering you like a normal guy

we never played in a Fr server.

[20:09] <@saidex> me and aerox
[20:09] <@saidex> got 100 ping
[20:09] <@Taker_> no admin will force a neutral server
[20:10] <@Taker_> Gigh3n, pls do the admin
[20:11] <@Taker_> guys 1 map our server 1 in you as it has to be
[20:11] <@Gigh3n> you guys
[20:11] <@Gigh3n> posted 2 servers
[20:11] <@Gigh3n> 2 home servers
[20:11] <@Gigh3n> so no neutral server will be forced
[20:11] <@Gigh3n> since both teams
01[20:11] <@Xai> there is no home server, its about neutral pings
[20:11] <@Gigh3n> have less than the 120%
[20:14] <@Gigh3n> you guys should read carefully some rules
01[20:15] <@Xai> Gigh3n lets do it by the rules. i will copy the ping table, player not inside will count as 0ping for average
01[20:1 <@Xai> Fu ping = 28
01[20:1 <@Xai> danger 30
[20:1 <@Gigh3n> low pings
[20:1 <@Gigh3n> doesn't count
[20:22] <@Taker_> they are not IN yet Gigh3n
[20:22] <@Taker_> they just delaying

[20:24] <@Gigh3n> if they refuse to play in a neutral server
[20:24] <@Gigh3n> since your ping is still ok
[20:24] <@Gigh3n> they've the right to play in their server
[20:24] <@saidex> ok
[20:24] <@Gigh3n> that's not about an admin forcing


10 .Server decision:
Only visible aspects of the connection quality are considered. These aspects are: ping, stability of ping, smoothness of movement, packet loss indicator value (if available).
Any player not present on a server is considered to have ping 0 in all comparisons of the national teams' connections as well as in all calculations of average pings.
It is be up to the national teams to agree on a single server to play on. If they cannot agree then the referee will pick the fairest server given the following:-
ClanBase considers pings to be 'equal' when the average pings of one team are no more than 125% the amount of their opponent.
Fair Ping Table (values in Milliseconds)
National team A Ping (ms) National team B Ping (ms)
20 25
30 38
40 50 <- we had 100 in De, not 50
50 63
60 75
70 88
80 100


ofc gighen said DE. was ok. ping 30 vs 100 lets see the "fairplay" in next game

i hope so...

aaaaand? i must pay for extra-comments?

Don't you think your point has been made in the 8 or 9 reactions you made? I'm playing devils advocate because i know how it is to be on the other side of such a discussion. The admins hands are bound during a running competition and thanks to pt's decision there wasnt a forfeit. I'm sure that everyones opinions has been noted and will be passed on to the cb head admins.

Chiamami Otelma...io ovvio il futuro XD

Phantomas in wonderland :P

And yeah, 7o9 is right, there's a drawback. But I think UZ crew manages to handle it, and quite well I'd say.

Also, we all know global rules can't always fit. Whoever says the opposite is probably lying to himself. That's why CB is a bit "late"

Not much futile as you think...i mean, will be nice to have a place where a community can manage its own game rules avoiding those kind of situations. ...and there's already a place like this, no?

err....we were just talking about a rule for the next cup,
not about Italy or Portugal...

We also get a load of shit on our plate for this rule, we (uz) judge on a case to case basis, in these kinds of situations it's handy. But naturally there's also a drawback, the lack of certainty in the rule.
It's up to the admins of CB to judge and they have, imo this discussion is futile especially since the cb urt admins do not make the rules.

Anyway so i guess I'll have to shoutcast the match twice It was most entertaining the first time, lets hope for another great match!

I see dead people walking!!!!

Cmon guys , its too easy to troll here
I dont know if we can win again vs PT, they are such a nature power.. but if we wont, will means they deserved the final. Im just unhappy that maybe i wont face .de, i was quite sure to win the germans :P

I hate when ppl take a post I wrote on the community forum and post it here pretending it's their own thoughts :P

Ok stop trolling. I know you're gonna yell at me things like "who the f**k are you?" or simular.

But I think you can easily see that UZ rules about demos are WAY, WAY, WAY more even than CB ones. I'm just reading how CB and UZ act in case of missing demos and I gotta say CB is really, really late compared to UZ.

Maybe UZ introduced admin's points of view as decisive for a final decision, but still, if you have good, fair and "non-flagged" admins... UZ way is THE WAY.

Let the yell at me starts.

UZ:
"11.A.2 Demos
A missing demo is a full demo not recorded or not uploaded. A partial demo is a demo with only a part missing; the staff will determine how grievous the missing part is and whether the team and/or player should be subject to rules applying to missing demos."

Is that so difficult to be applied in CB too? I dont think so...

lol

Sincerely...you seem a lot confused...i mean, it's not a matter to weaken something, but i already type what, why and how...
and a type of interpretation like that already exists in UZ

When Victory played vs CounT and one of our players used ONCE (means a fucking single time) the door 'bug' that actually didn't help us, since we won it by ourselves, nobody cared.

There was no talking about auto-loss for this map, it was auto-forteit for the whole match even though we got with a DRAW out of it.

This was no big deal for admins and CounT, but for whole team Victory.

And now, you are trying to weaken a rule about demos, just cause you "lost" the map anyways? That's awkwards Oo.

In this case you ought really to be happy, that team PT didn't want the forteit like some certain players in the past who were partial in the admin team.

Hello Elo Hell btw!

SoToNe.es? just kidding :P
GL Portugal & Italia, show us a great match, once again... now just play, the decision is already posted <3

How the fuck does ESP gets to the final without playnig a single match in the playoffs???

and it's says bronze final : ROM - AUS... site going bonkers that's all.


Rules are rules and should be applied. Opening an exception on this case will only come bite your ass later on....

its OVER look at the right box http://clanbase.ggl.com/news_league.php?lid=12510
it says "FINAL GER - ESP" so well maybe next time PT and ITA B<

I repeat: im not flaming. It's my point of view.

Aer0x, btw im agree when you say we did a lot of mess about server etc, and i dont like some beahviour of some players. But dont say that we are the "bastards" and you the "victim". It's a normal in a prematch that everyone try to find the best solution for ourself, so i can't see when we were so fucking ugly and bad with you. You want to play in uk, we want to play in DE. Admins decided for a neutral fr server so why you have to continue the discussion about that? It's useless atm

Better for the next game only (cause it's only one of 3 demos missing, not an entire match)...but it's a reasonable proposal, i like this point.
Responsible will not play. Forfeit loss of the map in this case is useless, map was already lost...and i'm not going to consider a change of this rule if the map is won and demo is missing.

For those who didn't get it yet, i'm just talking for the next cup, not this one.

@over: why do you flame now? why didnt you flame when it happened to other guys? Now you know the feel if it happens to a mate of you. you should be happy and quiet, that pt give you a chance to PROVE AGAIN that you realy deserve it to be at the FINAL.
Just show us a GREAT Match and give us a reason why ITA deserve it to be at the Final.

And dont blame the Admins, they make a great job and give us a Nation Cup. Be happy with that. Sotone cant chance the Rules at all. Its need to be discussed by the CB-Management.

and like aNdr- said, it would be nice just to give the Map Forfeit where the demo is missing and not the completly Match Maybe you can ask the CB-Management? Sotone

Looking forward who will be our Final Opponent.

Maybe you should change rules to something like, if demo is missing that map will go auto-lose to team, give yellow card and temp ban player for one week or next 2 games from current cup for being such a fail and rule breaker from first fail .

Atm. Portugal doesn't deserve any re-matches. They lost fair (who knows italianos sir. chiitalot, but so does portos) game demo or no. Map where demo is missing was only map won by pt anyways and doesn't really change the fact that they lost all other maps and demos for those were posted there at least according to what I got out from news.

lol, in-game u made a lot of new rules to play on ur server so we just said( it was me, if i remember) ffs, lets play on ur server since u really want to win.

yes precisely I was. People were raving about how ITA was super fair and full of sportsmanship when that was not the case at all lol.

And yes I'm 1/2 PT 1/2 USA, but I play for USA and that's where I was coming from. I'm cheering for PT though since we're out!

GL Spain

Nice Gentlemanship by Portugal.

Don't worry, i was just trying to put some sense in that particular part of the rule, only in this particular event,
not caring about who did that and who didn't or blah blah...
then i know perfectly that when comments are many,
people tend to lose themselves in secondary things.

We got different opinions about it in our community too,
but nobody made a real example to let me realise that i'm wrong.

Well i associated shocked to pt.

sh0cked was talking about USA vs Italy, i guess.

I just said "go in de server" because all that discussion was getting ridiculous and we just wanted to play the game, i don't know how you cant understand that DE isn't neutral for us. We ping 50 in UK/FR and 100 in DE and wazu offered one FR server for us to play, since you didnt want UK.

I'm not flaming anyone a3r0x, and i just dont answer to people that are flaming (zizou).
I'm discussing about my point of view, what i think it's fair and unfair. If you think that im flaming you're wrong, and it's not my purpose.

Not really shocked. We played our map in their server FR, and their map in our DE server. And than, saidex asked to play again on our server. What is the mistake? Where did we act without cooperation?
I'm agreed when people say that italy beated italy. Yes, this is true. Our mistake. But dont say we are the "scummiest" opponent you played versus.

the only that u can blame its serial .. without another trust anticheat u can spot a cheater through the demo' view.
A loser map doesnt mean that u cant cheat in.
Fairplay it's a personal way to conduct a performance but I prefer unfair players that upload their demos instead kids that cryin because they have committed a sport suicide. Italy beat Italy that its sad!

Honestly phantomas I respect you a lot and this is not directed at you, but everyone's claiming team italy has been so amazing this entire cup and full of fairplay but please, they were the scummiest opponent we played, they didn't agree to play on fair servers, they were incredibly uncooperative, and then they trash talked on IRC. Karma is a bitch. Go team PT!

wtf is the problem? The game should be forfeite'd and we're going to replay it, where is the problem? I dont know man, seriously, I lost a demo in a previous cup and i forgot to record the demo and my team( ex-team), got a forfeit lose. You should be happy and you should stop flaming because if we wanted we could go to the final without replaying the match.

Your first step.. "1)Analize the problem" ! !!

You put the problem in your ass or what? Maybe that works when your boyfriend has a boner and want to get rid off some seamon, i doubt it will work in this case, over.

Nice sportsmanship Saidex! They didn´t deserve it after all those trolls and misbehavior in the cb-channel but if there would be a sportsmanship award in urt u would be the one to get it.

More drama please. /ZeBeast

Blah blah blah....and it's written too that the winner team have to play the final. Shut up with this comments about rules, in this case rules are wrong.

Respect for the PT choice, but now it's like PT give us another possibility. It's funny, because it should be the opposite.

well, nice fair play Portugal team.

"If a national team fails to provide the requested demos, if some of the requested demos are broken or if rounds are missing, a forfeit loss will be awarded against the national team who failed to provide the requested demos."
Where's the problem? Everything is written here.

N1 saidex!

Well honour for the fairplay in THIS case.....but in anycase this match wouldnt exist since we won and we deserved the final.

WOW!!!! Unbelieveable! When I was reading that I thought like.. wtf.. respect to Portugal! Think there is still some fairness in UrT and sense to come back and play this game

The smartness of the men is the way to act depending of the situation. If we talk about rules, well, YOU wrote the rules so you can even interpretate those rules.
Usually when there is a problem, a smart man act in this way:
1) Analize the problem
2) Search for an already know solution
3) Think if the solution is the best he can find
4) If not, he think about another solution that is better than the others
5) If he find another and better solution, well, act in this way. If not, he use the first and simpliest solution.

Well, you just stop at point 2. You didnt choose the best solution, but the simpliest solution and this is what is fucking sad. You hided behind the situation of brasil team, but you know that it wasnt the same situation. You even know what was the best solution, but you didnt neither try to search a way to act it, you just died in your sleep.

And, i repeat, it's fucking sad. I dont blame pt, but all the admins, especially the "Chief".

Vi rifugiate troppo dietro al 'rules are rules' in questo caso molto particolare.
Spiacente ma non siete convincenti.

yes yes in english...what time is it? where is the bathroom?
the pen is on the table XD

rules are rules.... anyway Tnx Portugal for your fairplay. Tnx Saidex.

You can lose it :|
...everyone here knows that is possible and not only with UrT...
unfortunately it can happens to anyone...but by luck is a rare episode.
Big tension (understandable...a semifinal in our modest history weighs more than a normal match)....a little shit can happens...true story...and this happened...not the entire match
otherwise ok, Italy out of this NC, no problem.

man, lol, following your thoughts it is more plausible to eventually cheat on maps you win later, don't you think?
the lost map was the 1st one played...
this is how the story goes...

i mean, at one point i've just care about that part of rule...
as i said it can happens to anyone...
i didn't care about who was gonna face Germany in gold final.
i just thought that one demo of three (because it's the only case i'm considering)
if lost in a map lost can be tolerated (but only if you win the entire match then)
I've reduced the tolerance to the minimun to not let somebody take advantage on it.
That's it.

Probably i'm wrong, probably not...try again with other examples please... [no sarcasm here]

Because its impossible to cheat on maps you lose, right? That's just silly.

There's nothing to fix in the rules, demos are required, record them and don't lose them, it's as simple as that.

How do you even "lose" a demo anyway?

Let's talk honestly...

Italy deserved its spot in the gold final, final score is the word,
the "ragequit" is the demonstration...no doubt about it...
but because a rule can't be changed while a cup is active
it's ok a re-match...
but this rule (in the next cup) needs to be changed in the small part i've mentioned
cause our situation WASN'T similar to what happened to Brazil (lost demos of 2 entire matches!)...ways tooooooo different situations...know what i mean?

Fairplay? we got it, no problem...WE...

You said everything :P

It's just silly that a lost (NOT ON PURPOSE) demo of a LOST map got this big relevance
to condition an entire match.

For the future you all must focus only on this little detail and consider if it's the case to fix this specific part of this rule.
Only on map lost case....if map is won and no demo there, your mistake, no way out.

It's ok of course that rules are rules but happens that sometimes fairness got same rights too (for every team),
so being so in the middle between rules, fairness and playoffs,
a rematch it's the better solution...but 8 days for a decision of this kind, man...

Only one thing... if you don't follow your rules, it is fair of the other team ? :X So why we have rules ? =)

This discussion was the only interesting thing during the whole nc and you deleted it.

GG to saidex for his fairplay this time.

As personal note, thats why I don't say it at news, Italy is the one who deserve to play this final and of course have been very difficult to take this decision.

Also I'm pretty sure that whatever the decision we took about it, we are going to have more or less whines about who thinks that Italy deserve to stay at final and the ones who thinks that rules are the same for everyone.